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re: Barry Larkin says no one associated with PEDs will be elected to HOF
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:46 pm to Louie T
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:46 pm to Louie T
quote:I'm not even making an argument. That players cheated isn't an argument--it's a fact that we all know. That baseball writers will refrain from voting for players who cheated isn't an argument--it's an inevitability we all know exists. That this cause & effect sequence makes sense isn't an argument--it's a fact we all know to be true. We may all not like it, but whether or we like it isn't the issue.
You're arguments are fricking terrible.
Many cheated, and many won't be in the Hall of Fame because they cheated. What's to bitch about?
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:48 pm to ballscaster
Until you remove all cheaters from the HOF, then it's foolish to select one sort of cheating and single in on it.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 3:51 pm to ballscaster
I don't see anyone questioning whether or not its going to happen. Everyone is pointing out the blatant stupidity behind the reasoning.
Posted on 7/24/13 at 4:15 pm to ballscaster
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hat players cheated isn't an argument--it's a fact that we all know.
No it's not. Prove, with evidence, who used. Bonds never failed a test and was even tried in a court of law for obstructing justice and there's still no proof he took PED's. Bow, I can see keep Raffy out -- he failed a test administered by the league. But what about the hundreds of players who just have circumstantial cases against them, or worse, no evidence other than the fact we "know" they did it.*
*I should say I think every single pro athlete uses PED's with almost no exception. But I can't KNOW that.
Anyway, the system now is that guys are on the ballot, and people can vote on them. Eventually, the best players in people's memories will not be in the Hall and Cooperstown will be seen as less legitimate due to its failure to recognize one or two whole generations of talent. Attendance will decline and they will create a committee to cram some 80s/90s/00s players in the Hall.
Because the Hall needs induction ceremonies, and they need to be of universally recognized great players. They're ok this year (Maddux!), but the Hall does not want a decade of either no ceremonies or guys like Tony Perez getting inducted. Longterm, they can't keep them out and continue to be the Hall of Fame. It would be like have 20-40 Pete Roses. One, you can deal with.
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