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Kornheiser: Nadal has removed Federer from the discussion of G.O.A.T
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:48 pm
Wilbon:"Steffi Graf, as great as she was, the stabbing of Monica Seles changed the dialogue -- changed history, had a big impact. So, to me, if Serena pulls even with Evert and Navratilova, she is the greatest of all time."
Kornheiser: "I'm gonna say this about Nadal. Nadal could be the greatest of all time if in the next three years he beats Djokovic on every surface. But what he established is that Roger Federer is not the greatest of all time. Roger Federer can't touch him. And he's won wimbledon twice. He's won majors on hard courts. He's removed Roger Federer from that discussion as far as I'm concerned."
Kornheiser: "I'm gonna say this about Nadal. Nadal could be the greatest of all time if in the next three years he beats Djokovic on every surface. But what he established is that Roger Federer is not the greatest of all time. Roger Federer can't touch him. And he's won wimbledon twice. He's won majors on hard courts. He's removed Roger Federer from that discussion as far as I'm concerned."
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 3:50 pm
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:50 pm to bobbyray21
I love Fed but I believe that Nadal is better. It kills me to say that.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:51 pm to bobbyray21
Hard to say you're the best ever when you're not the best of your generation.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:52 pm to bobbyray21
Was Nadal around when Federer was in his prime? Honest question.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:53 pm to bobbyray21
Federer all time still > Rafi IMO.
Presently, Rafi and Djokivic are clearly better than Federer.
Presently, Rafi and Djokivic are clearly better than Federer.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:55 pm to bobbyray21
Federer all day errrry day
Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:55 pm to bobbyray21
Sure GOAT in France.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:07 pm to bobbyray21
No major injuries and the Federer/Rafa GOAT discussion will pick up. I don't see anyone on the horizon touching him. He could easily win 6-7 Majors in next three years. If Feds gets none, which is not crazy talk for Feds at this stage of his career, GOAT goes to Rafa. Even if he ties Feds the head to head is pretty hard to argue
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:09 pm to bobbyray21
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Roger Federer can't touch him
WTF???????? Oh I see who said this................
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:15 pm to bobbyray21
Being better than Federer now does not make Nadal better than Federer all-time. Federer is the GOAT. Nadal may get there, but he's not there yet.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:15 pm to bobbyray21
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I'm gonna say this about Nadal. Nadal could be the greatest of all time if in the next three years he beats Djokovic on every surface. But what he established is that Roger Federer is not the greatest of all time.
So, let's say Nadal never wins another major except the French. Who does Kornheiser think is the best in that scenario? Sampras? The guy who never won anything of note on clay?
Nadal clearly has Federer's number. But I can't discount the fact that Federer does better against the rest of the field than Nadal. Federer had a streak of 23 semis and an active streak of 36 quarter final appearances at grand slams. Nadal's longest streaks are 5 semis and 11 quarter finals. So, while Nadal regularly beats Roger's arse, he's also way more likely to lose to the Lukas Rosals of the world. I have to give consistent dominance weight in this argument.
In addition, while Nadal's head to head against everyone is fantastic, so much of it is attained from playing so frequently on clay. He's 20-10 against Federer but only 7-8 off clay. He's 20-15 against Djokovic 7-12 off clay. So against his chief rivals he's 26-5 on clay and 14-20 on other surfaces. If he starts to meet more Djokovic more frequently on hard courts, the h-2-h is going to tilt strongly in Djokovic's favor. Will that remove Nadal from discussion of G.O.A.T?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:18 pm to bobbyray21
Having a bad matchup against one guy doesn't change the fact that what Federer has done in tennis is completely unparalleled by anyone.
That's like saying the Patriots aren't the best NFL team the last decade because they lost to the Giants a couple times.
That's like saying the Patriots aren't the best NFL team the last decade because they lost to the Giants a couple times.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:45 pm to bobbyray21
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Kornheiser: Nadal has removed Federer from the discussion of G.O.A.T
1) Kornheiser is not a tennis expert, so I don't trust his opinion
2) nadal is the greatest ever on clay. that doesn't make him the greatest of all time, nor does it knock what federer has done on the two other surfaces.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 5:00 pm to bobbyray21
I don't have time to type a long response, but that's complete bullshite. Right now Federer has the greatest resume, and it's not that close. Nadal is an all time great also and clearly in the GOAT discussion though. I get tired of people tearing one down to prop the other up
Posted on 6/12/13 at 5:32 am to bobbyray21
Nadal has won four majors outside the French Open. No way he has removed Federer from the discussion.
Posted on 6/12/13 at 9:10 am to bobbyray21
You still owe me money bitch. Pay up.
Posted on 6/13/13 at 6:14 am to bobbyray21
tiger woods!...oh wait
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