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re: Spotify gets better and better
Posted on 5/27/13 at 10:37 am to sorantable
Posted on 5/27/13 at 10:37 am to sorantable
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Spotify is great for consumers but is terrible for artists.
How is something that is great for fans terrible for artists?
I've come into new bands I otherwise would never have listened to because of Spotify. I'd say that's great for artists.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 2:29 pm to TexasTiger1185
What's the difference b/w Spotify & Google Play Music? I am trying to decide which to go with.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:33 pm to 504Voodoo
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What's the difference b/w Spotify & Google Play Music? I am trying to decide which to go with.
Google Music vs Spotify
pretty good article. I really like Spotify. I think the social aspect really gives it the edge at this point. I love the randomness and discovery of listening to other people's playlists. I've had a ton of "dang, I haven't heard that song in 20 years" moments. I'm pretty well rounded in most music circles and I've been turned on to a couple of artists that have completely flown under my radar.
I'm sure Google with catch up considering their extremely deep pockets.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:07 pm to TexasTiger1185
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How is something that is great for fans terrible for artists?
I heard that Spotify paid a lump sum on their licencing agreements and got a steal. I think it translates into less royalties going to artists. Maybe someone else here can explain better.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 7:23 pm to St Augustine
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bastards still haven't added the new vampire weekend album
I check for this like three times a day.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 9:10 pm to TexasTiger1185
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How is something that is great for fans terrible for artists?
Derek Webb lays it out perfectly.
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For example, I am paid $0.00029 per stream of a song on Spotify, and even this amount depends on whether the song is being streamed by a paid user or someone using the service for free. This means it will take upwards of 3,500 streams of a single song on Spotify to earn $1.00 versus that same revenue for one iTunes song purchase (not to mention the fact that Spotify refuses to pay the same amount to independent artists as they pay major labels, unlike iTunes).
Most would argue that it’s apples and oranges (no pun intended): iTunes is a digital storefront for artists while services like Spotify are about discovery. People will argue that low-cost streaming is good for the market, that it’s good for the artists, and that it’s still better than people taking your music for free from BitTorrent. But I tend to disagree on almost every point, mainly because it’s just not that simple. It’s true that iTunes is a place for people to purchase music, but it offers all the same benefits of Spotify in terms of discovery. And while Spotify is claiming to occupy the discovery space, it’s clear that the service is operating functionally as a storefront, since people are streaming music as an alternative to purchasing that same music.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 8:30 am to sorantable
I disagree with him completely that iTunes has the same benefits for discovery.
I can't listen to 10 seconds of a song and decide if I like it or not. I don't make enough money to just buy up albums, and I am not the type of person to disrespect a musician and buy just a song. I buy the whole album.
Streaming, and free music allows for me to try out new stuff. I still buy albums, but not until I know I like the artist enough. I have gone to probably 10 concerts within the last year for bands that I didn't know about without free music.
Until torrents, and now Spotify I did not have the ability to hear new music as openly. I probably wouldn't have gone to 50% of those concerts if I relied on iTunes.
Also, I have no idea who Derek Webb is, maybe him and Lars would get along.
I can't listen to 10 seconds of a song and decide if I like it or not. I don't make enough money to just buy up albums, and I am not the type of person to disrespect a musician and buy just a song. I buy the whole album.
Streaming, and free music allows for me to try out new stuff. I still buy albums, but not until I know I like the artist enough. I have gone to probably 10 concerts within the last year for bands that I didn't know about without free music.
Until torrents, and now Spotify I did not have the ability to hear new music as openly. I probably wouldn't have gone to 50% of those concerts if I relied on iTunes.
Also, I have no idea who Derek Webb is, maybe him and Lars would get along.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:00 am to TexasTiger1185
The problem is that musicians are still wistfully longing for the glory days when an artist could make a significant amount of money off of an album.
Those days are long gone and they're not coming back. You're best bet is to go with services like spotify, expand your fan base and become road warriors. Or if that's not acceptable I hear McDonald's is hiring, go join the workforce.
Those days are long gone and they're not coming back. You're best bet is to go with services like spotify, expand your fan base and become road warriors. Or if that's not acceptable I hear McDonald's is hiring, go join the workforce.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:19 am to wildtigercat93
I think I'm sticking with spotify over google's service
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:20 am to CottonWasKing
My personal opinion is that the days of creating one amazing song, blasting it on the radio for weeks, and building buzz around an album only to find that released single the only worthwhile song on the entire album is done.
Artists have to be accountable for creating an entire album because the internet makes it too easy for everyone to hear it before even putting up the money.
Artists have to be accountable for creating an entire album because the internet makes it too easy for everyone to hear it before even putting up the money.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:25 am to ag3ntpurpl3
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because the internet makes it too easy for everyone to hear it before even putting up the money.
I think the internet is what created the problem you're talking about in the first place.
Most people my age and younger (26) download one song they like. shite half my friends don't own a full album of their favorite musicians.
I don't have many friends who REALLY like music the way I do. In fact, I have one.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:30 am to TexasTiger1185
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and I am not the type of person to disrespect a musician and buy just a song.
how is this disrespectful?
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:35 am to TexasTiger1185
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I think the internet is what created the problem you're talking about in the first place.
Most people my age and younger (26) download one song they like. shite half my friends don't own a full album of their favorite musicians.
See, this is where you and I differ because I don't feel it's a problem. Back in the day (and I'm 27 but have lived a lifetime through live concerts and record shops) artists could release a full album and, before the internet, you had to own the album or have a friend who bought it to know what was on it.
Now, I'm not talking about the 60s/70s when there was a love for music and all artists cared what was put out with their name on the front. No, this was an age in the 90s/early 2000s when the record labels were more interested in making millions off one-hit wonders and would sign up the hottest thing and churn out an album in two weeks.
Nowadays, if you want people to buy your album/see you show, you better pony up quality music. In my opinion, I'll give you the 1 or 2 crap songs you generically have on an album but 90% of that album better be quality songs.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:47 am to BilJ
Because they make an album. The album is an entity made up of songs.
One song out of an album is out of place.
I don't believe in singles.
One song out of an album is out of place.
I don't believe in singles.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:52 am to TexasTiger1185
No offense, but thats just stupid
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:55 am to TexasTiger1185
I can see where TexasTiger is coming from.
You have albums like Random Access Memories where a song taken out of context might sound terrible (for instance, my brother hated the album based on a couple songs he heard until I played the entirety from front to end at the beach).
R.A.M. was meant to be played in its particular order.
However, bands like Shinedown, Creed, Nickelback, etc. are built for the radio; built for that one song to make it platinum and then base album sales off that one song. It doesn't matter in the long run.
You have albums like Random Access Memories where a song taken out of context might sound terrible (for instance, my brother hated the album based on a couple songs he heard until I played the entirety from front to end at the beach).
R.A.M. was meant to be played in its particular order.
However, bands like Shinedown, Creed, Nickelback, etc. are built for the radio; built for that one song to make it platinum and then base album sales off that one song. It doesn't matter in the long run.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 9:55 am to TexasTiger1185
that's your personal view because you seem to be a bit of music enthusiast. Saying its disrespectful seems a bit much.
and its not a "problem" people are no longer being fooled into buying entire albums with only 1 or 2 songs worth a shite on them.
and its not a "problem" people are no longer being fooled into buying entire albums with only 1 or 2 songs worth a shite on them.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:15 am to wildtigercat93
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No offense, but thats just stupid
Guess Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin are stupid then.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:17 am to BilJ
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and its not a "problem" people are no longer being fooled into buying entire albums with only 1 or 2 songs worth a shite on them.
I didn't say that. I wouldn't buy the album or the song.
Posted on 5/28/13 at 10:19 am to TexasTiger1185
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Guess Robert Plant and Led Zeppelin are stupid then.
They are stupid if they get offended that i only like one or a few songs off an album of theirs
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