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Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:38 pm to oauron
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Which is funny because every player in the first round has done the same.
he admitted to taking GAMES off. Nobody in the first round was dumb enough to say that.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:40 pm to KG5989
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Who said he was slow??
my bad, I read through too quick, I see you were talking about Sam, sorry
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:42 pm to lob1284
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Teams discovering that Sam is a crazy person during the interview process only hurt his stock more.
Where did yall see this from? I've only read that from here constantly and nowhere else.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:44 pm to the LSUSaint
At birth... Genetics is what it is
Posted on 4/28/13 at 2:55 pm to joechristoppher77
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At birth... Genetics is what it is
and being born in Belle Glade, I think half of the NFL is from there, good for him he wasn't raised there, might not be as classy of a guy as he seems to be
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:10 pm to Maximus
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Which is funny because every player in the first round has done the same.
he admitted to taking GAMES off. Nobody in the first round was dumb enough to say that.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:18 pm to the LSUSaint
The NFL is a QB driven league. Therefore, there is a premium on pass rushers that can get to the quarterback.
From that standpoint, Mingo brings an exceptional set of physical tools to the table. It's the same reason Dion Jordan went so high.
Mingo ran a 4.58 at 241 at the combine.
Sam ran a 4.81 at 262.
Mingo also tested better in the broad & vertical, which is an indicator of explosion. That's what teams are looking for. Explosive pass rushers.
Sam will play stongside, Mingo will probably play weakside.
Mingo still has a lot of growth potential too. He's got a great frame that he can add more weight to, without a considerable drop in speed.
IMO, Sam would have gone higher if he didn't gain all the weight before the 2012 season. He would have been more appealing as a pass rusher at 245-255, running in the 4.6 range, which I think he could have run at that weight, buy I may be wrong.
The effort issue probably caused him to drop too. All I know is he is tenacious on the field. I always see a max effort player. I also think he is kind of a silly guy, and maybe prone to saying odd things. The Texans linebackers coach said this about the effort issue:
I think he goes into a very good situation in Houston. They just lost Connor Barwin, so there's an opening at LB. My only question about Sam is how he will do in coverage.
From that standpoint, Mingo brings an exceptional set of physical tools to the table. It's the same reason Dion Jordan went so high.
Mingo ran a 4.58 at 241 at the combine.
Sam ran a 4.81 at 262.
Mingo also tested better in the broad & vertical, which is an indicator of explosion. That's what teams are looking for. Explosive pass rushers.
Sam will play stongside, Mingo will probably play weakside.
Mingo still has a lot of growth potential too. He's got a great frame that he can add more weight to, without a considerable drop in speed.
IMO, Sam would have gone higher if he didn't gain all the weight before the 2012 season. He would have been more appealing as a pass rusher at 245-255, running in the 4.6 range, which I think he could have run at that weight, buy I may be wrong.
The effort issue probably caused him to drop too. All I know is he is tenacious on the field. I always see a max effort player. I also think he is kind of a silly guy, and maybe prone to saying odd things. The Texans linebackers coach said this about the effort issue:
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Herring suggested that Montgomery got caught up in entertaining the media, given that he likes to talk, and that his film didn’t show a lack of effort -- something general manager Rick Smith has said he cannot accept from a player.
I think he goes into a very good situation in Houston. They just lost Connor Barwin, so there's an opening at LB. My only question about Sam is how he will do in coverage.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:31 pm to the LSUSaint
Mingo always had the greater upside.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:33 pm to 777Tiger
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everyone seems to be concerned about Sam's "passion for the game," but Mingo is probably the best specimen of his proportion since Thomas Henderson, sprinter speed, linebacker size, fast enough to get around the o-linemen that are almost twice his size, lot of potential options
If you can add like 10-15 more lbs to Mingo, he'll be a dominate OLB. Has great hand skills from working on the line, and will be able to cover in space. He'll be good
Posted on 4/28/13 at 3:45 pm to the LSUSaint
Sam is better overall, but Mingo has freak factor longer arms, higher vertical, little bit more speed. He was drafted higher not on what he is but what he can become.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:03 pm to Tiger79
When Mingo was drafted in the 1st. round.
No telling who has the better pro career. Both are projected at OLB in the 3-4
No telling who has the better pro career. Both are projected at OLB in the 3-4
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:26 pm to inadaze
I think Sam will be an eventual replacement for Antonio smith
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:30 pm to the LSUSaint
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Did Sam slack off on preparing or did Mingo have that big of a jump? It seemed that 2 years ago Sam would have been drafted as a top 5 pick.
Mingo has some unreal speed and agility that allows him to play DE or OLB in the NFL. He's a freak basically with regard to his speed and size.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:34 pm to GetmorewithLes
I don't necessarily have trouble understanding why Mingo was rated higher by NFL talent evaluators, but the thing that does bother me is that Sam managed to fall out of the second round. Even if his ceiling is a solid starting strongside 4-3 end, isn't that worth a second round pick?
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:41 pm to BallHog
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I don't necessarily have trouble understanding why Mingo was rated higher by NFL talent evaluators, but the thing that does bother me is that Sam managed to fall out of the second round. Even if his ceiling is a solid starting strongside 4-3 end, isn't that worth a second round pick?
IMO, either the scouts recs are being disregarded, and/or the GM/front offices aren't being manned by competent football savvy people(see the Jones at Valley Ranch,) anymore, bunch of headscratchers, monkey with a dart board might do better
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:42 pm to Deactived
SAm is Lazy and a bit of a tweener. not elite as a pass rusher, but not big enough to be a dominating Strong Side end. Not quick enough to be an elite OLB in a 3-4 althought hte Texans will try to fit him into that.
Mingo is a fluid athlete and can get after the passer. Mingo will likely continue to get stronger and his FB IQ is way higher and his effort is far more consistent. CAn't believe the texans wasted a pick on sam with the intention of him being a 3-4 backer.
Mingo is a fluid athlete and can get after the passer. Mingo will likely continue to get stronger and his FB IQ is way higher and his effort is far more consistent. CAn't believe the texans wasted a pick on sam with the intention of him being a 3-4 backer.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 4:48 pm to Tiger Ryno
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CAn't believe the texans wasted a pick on sam with the intention of him being a 3-4 backer.
there is at least one thing that Wade Phillips is very good at, and that's building a badarse defense, who knows? something must have caught his eye, assuming his input was used to make the pick
Posted on 4/28/13 at 5:15 pm to the LSUSaint
Mingo is big and fast. Sam is big and has just decent speed. It's not about production in the draft but more about potential.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 5:33 pm to peopleschamp
Sam came into LSU as the better prospect, but over the years he never developed into prospect every one thought he would become. Mingo was always a better athlete from day one, but showed flashes here and there that wowed NFL guys. I think Sam was a low 2nd round pick at best, but fell a little due to his personality.
Personally, I feel they were both over hyped here at LSU, and ranked in the 3rd tier of great lineman at LSU.
Personally, I feel they were both over hyped here at LSU, and ranked in the 3rd tier of great lineman at LSU.
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