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Quick Recap of LA HS divisional revamp
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:32 pm
I travel to LA quite a bit, have nothing vested in HS sports but have vaguely followed this story. I've been listening to sports talk radio in BR this afternoon and trying to follow what's happening and I don't get it. I guess there is also a veiled threat of the private schools pulling out of LHHSA?
I'm probably lacking a lot of info (likely) but seems this entire situation is a result of Curtis and Evangel, small enrollment schools who always dominate? Right? Is there other reasons? Seems shortsighted that this would even be about just championships.
Why don't those two schools just move up to the 5A? It's my understanding Curtis did for a few years and then moved back?
Seems like this "benefits" the public schools because there are less of them, but pits small private vs. big private (Dunham vs. Parkview, etc).
What's really behind this? It seems like an awful idea that can’t sustain long term, but I don’t know.
I'm probably lacking a lot of info (likely) but seems this entire situation is a result of Curtis and Evangel, small enrollment schools who always dominate? Right? Is there other reasons? Seems shortsighted that this would even be about just championships.
Why don't those two schools just move up to the 5A? It's my understanding Curtis did for a few years and then moved back?
Seems like this "benefits" the public schools because there are less of them, but pits small private vs. big private (Dunham vs. Parkview, etc).
What's really behind this? It seems like an awful idea that can’t sustain long term, but I don’t know.
This post was edited on 3/6/13 at 4:09 pm
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Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:35 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
they can't move up to 5A, and Curtis has never played in 5A, even when they had a chance from 1991-2004
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:41 pm to chalmetteowl
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they can't move up to 5A, and Curtis has never played in 5A, even when they had a chance from 1991-2004
Ok. Well is all this change basically about Curtis and Evangal? Why not deal with those schools instead of changing the whole system? Can they not move up bc of population? Wouldn't they play against the big New Orleans Catholic schools under the new proposal anyway?
Like I said, I don't care or really have and opinion. I've worked with HS sports for a while and just never seen anything like this and think it's interesting.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:53 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
Public schools mad that they can't manage their own money properly.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:56 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
It's also a school like Karr post Katrina that now can draw kids from all over New Orleans
Everyone griping about football fail to mention that girl's volleyball is the same way - private schools dominate.
What will happen is private schools are likely to pull out of LHSAA and create their own rules and leagues - Catholic will probably have to play all the New Orleans Catholic schools in order to have a schedule.
Everyone griping about football fail to mention that girl's volleyball is the same way - private schools dominate.
What will happen is private schools are likely to pull out of LHSAA and create their own rules and leagues - Catholic will probably have to play all the New Orleans Catholic schools in order to have a schedule.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 4:01 pm to nicholastiger
i'd like to see the LHSAA reduced to the small public schools with rec league programs... 
Posted on 3/6/13 at 4:11 pm to chalmetteowl
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i'd like to see the LHSAA reduced to the small public schools with rec league programs
Sorry for making a sweeping generalization, but LHHSA totally mismanaged and corrupt? It's like that in Colorado and Wyoming for sure. It's not a terrible result, but it's the biggest idiots you could think of running that organization.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 4:17 pm to nicholastiger
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It's also a school like Karr post Katrina that now can draw kids from all over New Orleans
Karr was always able to draw throught the city, it was a magnet school. Now it is a charter, they used to be able to select their students now they aren't able to.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 5:46 pm to nicholastiger
Karr can't select their students. If there are more applications than seats, then all applications are placed into a lottery. Nonsense like this is just the tip of the iceberg. Dr. Griffin and her colleagues could present no evidence or data to the legislature yesterday. She out right admitted that the entire proposal is based on personal experience and emotion.
If you look at the actual data, you will see that there is no competitive advantage for private schools. In fact public schools have won the most state championships in four out of the five classification since 1991. And they outnumber private schools two to one in terms of state finalist in since 1991.
The LHSAA did absolutely no research or required any research to be done before voting on this proposal. If it stands, this proposal will kill the LHSAA
If you look at the actual data, you will see that there is no competitive advantage for private schools. In fact public schools have won the most state championships in four out of the five classification since 1991. And they outnumber private schools two to one in terms of state finalist in since 1991.
The LHSAA did absolutely no research or required any research to be done before voting on this proposal. If it stands, this proposal will kill the LHSAA
Posted on 3/6/13 at 6:15 pm to Antonio Moss
Not sure if it was stated earlier in this thread, but it is going through a lot of issues as we speak. The LHSAA bylaws state there can be no more than 5 state titles. They are trying to back track and say, well this is technically like a separate league. Also there it is still being decided whether or not the Louisiana legislature can get involved.
Decide for yourself what you think but I feel like they should be involved. It was originally stated that the LHSAA was a private entity and they could do as they choose. My issue and others is that the government funds schools and sports teams as well.
Also it was a last minute amendment added to get this motion passed, pretty pathetic move. It was originally going to be called Prop 8. What was going to be done was 5 classes, 3 non-select schools and 2 non-select schools. Last minute they realized it would a stronger movement if it was 5 non-select school and 2 select school divisions.
Also this is another excuse to get the best schools out of the way when it comes to state titles. This past year 7 of the 10 teams would have been listed as select schools. This was a bailout for teams who weren't good enough to beat who they lined up against and to now have an easier road.
Another issue is, how do you decide who is making the playoffs for select schools? You have teams in 3A trying to get spots over 5A. Whenever a team is in 3A their chances of getting in significantly drop despite maybe being better than some 5A schools. Example: U-High is moving up to 3A and s select, they have approximately 350 kids, they will be competing for a title against schools with over 1,000 kids. Not only is it unfair from a numbers perspective but also the current formula would possible favor a 4-6 or 5-5 5A school over a 8-2 3A school.
Also keep in mind, what are we trying to promote in Louisiana: athletics or academics? This impacts schools that have dual enrollment to colleges making them select schools. So now schools are going to have to decide if they want to give their students the best possible education or would they rather promote sports.
If it isn't obvious, clearly I am not a fan of what is going on, and I expect another organization to be formed as soon as maybe later this year.
Decide for yourself what you think but I feel like they should be involved. It was originally stated that the LHSAA was a private entity and they could do as they choose. My issue and others is that the government funds schools and sports teams as well.
Also it was a last minute amendment added to get this motion passed, pretty pathetic move. It was originally going to be called Prop 8. What was going to be done was 5 classes, 3 non-select schools and 2 non-select schools. Last minute they realized it would a stronger movement if it was 5 non-select school and 2 select school divisions.
Also this is another excuse to get the best schools out of the way when it comes to state titles. This past year 7 of the 10 teams would have been listed as select schools. This was a bailout for teams who weren't good enough to beat who they lined up against and to now have an easier road.
Another issue is, how do you decide who is making the playoffs for select schools? You have teams in 3A trying to get spots over 5A. Whenever a team is in 3A their chances of getting in significantly drop despite maybe being better than some 5A schools. Example: U-High is moving up to 3A and s select, they have approximately 350 kids, they will be competing for a title against schools with over 1,000 kids. Not only is it unfair from a numbers perspective but also the current formula would possible favor a 4-6 or 5-5 5A school over a 8-2 3A school.
Also keep in mind, what are we trying to promote in Louisiana: athletics or academics? This impacts schools that have dual enrollment to colleges making them select schools. So now schools are going to have to decide if they want to give their students the best possible education or would they rather promote sports.
If it isn't obvious, clearly I am not a fan of what is going on, and I expect another organization to be formed as soon as maybe later this year.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 6:38 pm to nicholastiger
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Everyone griping about football fail to mention that girl's volleyball is the same way - private schools dominate.
No one really cares about vollyball outside of the parents, players and coaches. And that's not really that many people. Plus vollyball isn't the cash cow that football is.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 7:01 pm to lsutigertalk
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Another issue is, how do you decide who is making the playoffs for select schools? You have teams in 3A trying to get spots over 5A. Whenever a team is in 3A their chances of getting in significantly drop despite maybe being better than some 5A schools. Example: U-High is moving up to 3A and s select, they have approximately 350 kids, they will be competing for a title against schools with over 1,000 kids. Not only is it unfair from a numbers perspective but also the current formula would possible favor a 4-6 or 5-5 5A school over a 8-2 3A school.
The current proposal has 32 teams in the higher select division, so everyone makes the playoffs. There is no subsequent plan if another team is added.
And this completely unthought-out, anecdotal based proposal was created by a High School Principal. How scary is that?
Posted on 3/6/13 at 7:06 pm to Antonio Moss
Thanks for clarifying that, I was unaware there was exactly that many schools. The issue about seeding still remains and is a huge problem. I still say if this was to happen and they do break off and form their own league, you cut it down to 16 team playoffs and make 3 divisions. Only thing that is fair in my opinion.
Also, the threat of another school joining the ranks of being select is possible. Schools are starting to do dual enrollment more and more. They may have some schools who have it planned to begin next year and now have to question whether or not they will do it.
Also, the threat of another school joining the ranks of being select is possible. Schools are starting to do dual enrollment more and more. They may have some schools who have it planned to begin next year and now have to question whether or not they will do it.
This post was edited on 3/6/13 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 3/6/13 at 8:00 pm to lsutigertalk
Its all for naught getting shot down
Posted on 3/6/13 at 8:34 pm to lsutigertalk
The LHSAA by laws do not state that football should have 5 state titles. It states that for football purposes it shall be divided into 5 equal, or nearly equal classes. It does not say anythng about how to conduct the playoffs. What was the last minute amendment to get it passed? This was not originally going to be called proposal 8. Proposal 8 was the one that was tabled last year. Proposal 8 splits the playoffs in a large number of the sports.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 8:41 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
It was driven by the Winnfield Prinicpal who was butt-hurt over being skull drug in the championship game by Curtis 2 years ago. Like they are the only ones in that club. The public schools, operating under the everyone gets a trophy mindset, all voted Curtis and Evangel off their island.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:00 pm to Icansee4miles
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It was driven by the Winnfield Prinicpal who was butt-hurt over being skull drug in the championship game by Curtis 2 years ago. Like they are the only ones in that club. The public schools, operating under the everyone gets a trophy mindset, all voted Curtis and Evangel off their island.
Pretty much all of this is exactly what happened.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:02 pm to bigcatfish
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that football should have 5 state titles
That is what I meant to say. They were originally proposing 3 non-select and 2 select champions. Once they realized it probably wouldn't pass, they changed it to what is currently in place. That is my understanding of what took place.
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:21 pm to lsutigertalk
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It was originally stated that the LHSAA was a private entity and they could do as they choose.
The Supreme Court has already ruled that it is a private organization and the legis cant do dick
Its a done deal, and will be expanded to other sports soon
Posted on 3/6/13 at 9:21 pm to lsutigertalk
Proposal 8 was never amended. It was voted on as it was originally written. I would say that Curtis and Evangel brought the issue to the forefront. However, that is not the only reason it was passed. The select schools have a lot more latitude to work with than the non select schools.
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