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re: Colorado Magazine ban of 15 rounds passes through committee 7-4
Posted on 2/13/13 at 8:23 am to bapple
Posted on 2/13/13 at 8:23 am to bapple
I said from the get-go that in all likelihood you'd see gun bans/magazine restrictions at a State or local level as opposed to nationally. Quite honestly as a supporter of State's Rights and Democracy I support the peoples right to self govern. If Colorado's voters decide to ban guns/limit magazine capacity it's their choice and while I may not agree with it I do support it. Colorado also saw fit to legalize marijuana in the absence of national legislation. Some may not agree with it, but nevertheless I support their decision as it fits their needs. What you are seeing in CO is exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, the State's making their own decisions as part of a greater union.
The nice thing about being part of our American union is that theres a relatively easy fix if you dont like your State's policies.... Pack your shite and move, in this great country theres nothing stopping you.
The nice thing about being part of our American union is that theres a relatively easy fix if you dont like your State's policies.... Pack your shite and move, in this great country theres nothing stopping you.
This post was edited on 2/13/13 at 8:26 am
Posted on 2/13/13 at 8:36 am to wiltznucs
I agree with Wiltznucs. As long as they keep the gun grabbing at a state level and not federal, I can deal with it. I don't have to like it or agree with it but at least I have a choice in the matter as far as where I want to live in order to avoid it.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 8:56 am to wiltznucs
Excellent points.
A question, though:
Let's say your state bans 15+ round magazines.
At that point, is it legal to even have them in your possession?
Same deal on a federal level. If they are banned, can you even go to the range and shoot with them?
A question, though:
Let's say your state bans 15+ round magazines.
At that point, is it legal to even have them in your possession?
Same deal on a federal level. If they are banned, can you even go to the range and shoot with them?
Posted on 2/13/13 at 10:46 am to wiltznucs
Wiltz, I'll start by saying you are right on point! As irritated as it makes me to see this stuff go through, at least it's not nationally.
Although this legislation has nothing to do with firearms, I think it's a smart move. Rather than continuing to congest prisons with weed dealers, save the space for real criminals.
But not to get off topic...
Amen dude.
I really hope Magpul has to pick up it's operations and move. As much as it would suck for those workers that live there, just bring them over too. Leave Commierado Magpul!!
And in other news I found this gem yesterday too. This came from Olympic Arms who is located in WA, a relatively gun friendly state. They basically tell New York to FO. As cheap as their stuff may be, I gained a lot of respect for them after saying this. Check it:
"Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights.
One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.
Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines.
We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.
Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.
In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.
If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerate to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.
This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.
Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.
Sincerely,
Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc."
quote:
Colorado also saw fit to legalize marijuana in the absence of national legislation. Some may not agree with it, but nevertheless I support their decision as it fits their needs.
Although this legislation has nothing to do with firearms, I think it's a smart move. Rather than continuing to congest prisons with weed dealers, save the space for real criminals.
But not to get off topic...
quote:
What you are seeing in CO is exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, the State's making their own decisions as part of a greater union.
Amen dude.
I really hope Magpul has to pick up it's operations and move. As much as it would suck for those workers that live there, just bring them over too. Leave Commierado Magpul!!
And in other news I found this gem yesterday too. This came from Olympic Arms who is located in WA, a relatively gun friendly state. They basically tell New York to FO. As cheap as their stuff may be, I gained a lot of respect for them after saying this. Check it:
"Olympic Arms is a staunch believer in and defender of the Constitution of the United States, and with special attention paid to the Bill of Rights that succinctly enumerates the security of our Divinely given Rights.
One of those Rights is that to Keep and Bear Arms.
Legislation recently passed in the State of New York outlaws the AR15 and many other firearms, and will make it illegal for the good and free citizens of New York to own a large selection of legal and safe firearms and magazines.
We feel as though the passage of this legislation exceeds the authority granted to the government of New York by its citizens, and violates the Constitution of the United States, ignoring such SCOTUS rulings as District of Columbia v. Heller – 554, U.S. 570 of 2008, McDonald v. Chicago – 561 U.S. 3025 of 2010, and specifically the case of United States v. Miller – 307 U.S. 174 of 1939.
Due the passing of this legislation, Olympic Arms would like to announce that the State of New York, any Law Enforcement Departments, Law Enforcement Officers, First Responders within the State of New York, or any New York State government entity or employee of such an entity – will no longer be served as customers.
In short, Olympic Arms will no longer be doing business with the State of New York or any governmental entity or employee of such governmental entity within the State of New York – henceforth and until such legislation is repealed, and an apology made to the good people of the State of New York and the American people.
If the leaders of the State of New York are willing to limit the right of the free and law abiding citizens of New York to arm themselves as they see fit under the Rights enumerate to all citizens of the United State through the Second Amendment, we feel as though the legislators and government entities within the State of New York should have to abide by the same restrictions.
This action has caused a division of the people into classes: Those the government deems valuable enough to protect with modern firearms, and those whose lives have been deemed as having less value, and whom the government has decided do not deserve the right to protect themselves with the same firearms. Olympic Arms will not support such behavior or policy against any citizen of this great nation.
Olympic Arms invites all firearms manufacturers, distributors and firearms dealers to join us in this action to refuse to do business with the State of New York. We must stand together, or we shall surely fall divided.
Sincerely,
Brian Schuetz
President
Olympic Arms, Inc."
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:33 am to wiltznucs
quote:
What you are seeing in CO is exactly what the founding fathers envisioned, the State's making their own decisions as part of a greater union.
That's fine right up until their laws violate the Constitution.
quote:
The nice thing about being part of our American union is that theres a relatively easy fix if you dont like your State's policies.... Pack your shite and move, in this great country theres nothing stopping you.
Eh. Colorado is a wonderful place to live. If I can't live in one of the United States of America b/c it has laws that unduly restrict my Constitutional rights, that's a problem. A lawful American citizen shouldn't have to sacrifice rights to live in a certain state.
What's the point of having this Union in that case?
Same goes for California.
Posted on 2/13/13 at 11:49 am to wiltznucs
I agree that CO can ban mags/certain guns if they choose.
But is saying
Thought national law banned marijuana? Don't know if they intended for states to repeal national laws --> see whiskey rebellion and other times they brought in troops to enforce taxes
ETA: I do think they intended to govern things not spelled in the constitution (for the most part). Do think they did feel the federal government would get into things not in the constitution (and not all by amendment)
But is saying
quote:right?
Colorado also saw fit to legalize marijuana in the absence of national legislation
Thought national law banned marijuana? Don't know if they intended for states to repeal national laws --> see whiskey rebellion and other times they brought in troops to enforce taxes
ETA: I do think they intended to govern things not spelled in the constitution (for the most part). Do think they did feel the federal government would get into things not in the constitution (and not all by amendment)
This post was edited on 2/13/13 at 12:01 pm
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