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re: Could Saban take Miles' team and beat Bama?

Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:53 pm to
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:53 pm to
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You sound like a true spoken gump


Whatever dude. Keep living in the land of unicorns.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:58 pm to
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How do you come to this conclusion after saying what you said?

I think it's pretty clear. When Saban possessed a large talent disparity in his advantage, he still almost lost to Miles. So I see no reason to believe that he would take a less talented team and win. There's nothing in his record to support it. Meanwhile, Miles has taken Saban to the wall with inferior teams. So it stands to reason that, given a change in talent levels, he would have won those games.

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1. Miles is a poor recruiter of talent in relation to Saban's teams

not poor, but Saban is the best recruiter in the nation. I am perfectly comfortable stating that Saban is a better recruiter than miles, given that he's the best recruiter, period. I think the gap is narrow, but there's still a gap.

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bviously if Saban is on this historic run and talent is equal, Saban is doing something above and beyond Miles in the last 5 seasons.

Yes, by losing one less game, he has won two more titles. He's had easier schedules and he's had a lot more luck. He could have been on the outside looking in both of these last two seasons with NO CHANGE IN RESULTS. If Okie St wins the media war last year and KSU this year (or OSU is not on probation), then, with the same exact results, Bama does not win a national title either year. Factors he did not, and could not, control broke his way each of the past two seasons.

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It seems like Miles lets his players dictate more and over time, we have started to see a distinct difference in the programs.

If you think the gaping one loss gap in record over three years is a distinct difference, go ahead. I do agree that flags fly forever, so those titles certainly make a huge difference in the two coaches' reputations. But the actual performance of the programs has been remarkably even these past three years. They got the breaks. We didn't. Life sucks sometimes.

But if you want me to panic over the state of the program because we are one game worse over a three-year span than arguably the most successful team in college football history then you'll be waiting a long time.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:02 pm to
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But if you want me to panic over the state of the program because we are one game worse over a three-year span than arguably the most successful team in college football history then you'll be waiting a long time.


This.

It's ridiculous and embarrassing.
Posted by RealityTiger
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:06 pm to
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Whatever dude. Keep living in the land of unicorns.





Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:06 pm to
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Get off your knees and wipe off that chin



I like you but your act is getting stale. Its plainly obvious that Miles isn't even in the same realm as Nick Saban as far as preparing a team for big games. Anyone who would chose Miles over Saban on Saturdays is either in denial or a moron.
Posted by Florida225
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:07 pm to
Yeah well thankfully we win 10 games a year and don't have to run that retarded hypothetical situation you dumb frick.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:08 pm to
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. Anyone who would chose Miles over Saban on Saturdays is either in denial or a moron.


I never said I would. But since that isn't an option, I don't want to throw out a successful coach and also continue to discredit everything that happens like many have been doing.
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:09 pm to
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I never said I would. But since that isn't an option, I don't want to throw out a successful coach and also continue to discredit everything that happens like many have been doing.



I can agree with this I suppose. Miles can easily fix his deficiencies. My problem with him is that, so far, he's refusing to do it.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:10 pm to
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Miles is the lsu program right now.


Wow!

You're a former Penn State fan, right? Joe Pa 4EVAR!!
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:10 pm to
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Miles can easily fix his deficiencies. My problem with him is that, so far, he's refusing to do it.


Reasonable analysis and I hope we fix the offense.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:11 pm to
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You're a former Penn State fan, right? Joe Pa 4EVAR!!


Because that is exactly what I meant by that statement. Talk about a reach.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:11 pm to
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If you think the gaping one loss gap in record over three years is a distinct difference, go ahead. I do agree that flags fly forever, so those titles certainly make a huge difference in the two coaches' reputations. But the actual performance of the programs has been remarkably even these past three years. They got the breaks. We didn't. Life sucks sometimes.


That one loss, as you say (reality though is the last two losses to Bama costed us two titles but whatever), and that razor thin edge separates winners and losers. If a team consistently lands on the losing side at the end of the day...what's the difference.

I think Miles is a good recruiter. He is pulling from the state with the highest per capita of NFL talent in the country by far. We have prob around 10 players jumping to the NFL THIS SEASON alone.

What did we do with all that talent: ZERO BCS bowl wins. I didn't just say National titles, I said BCS bowls. Think about that for a second.

LSU is not in a vacuum. Other teams are obviously rising to the occasion as of late with LESS NFL talent.

So what makes the REAL difference?
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:12 pm to
I'm not even totally sure how much a new OC would fix the problem. I think its becoming clear that we are going to run what Les wants to run for better or for worse. And usually, its for worse as far as the O is concerned.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:12 pm to
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I like you but your act is getting stale. Its plainly obvious that Miles isn't even in the same realm as Nick Saban as far as preparing a team for big games.


LOL. This is amazing.

In 2011, Miles' teams beat FOUR top five teams in a season, three by blowout.

In 2011, Saban, during the course of an ENTIRE TWELVE GAME SEASON, beat only THREE teams with a WINNING RECORD. (You read this right). Including a loss to that dumbass Miles, AT HOME. Were you calling Saban a dumbass in November of 2011? I doubt it. PS - He lost to Miles in a similar fashion that Miles lost to him this year.

The difference? Saban makes good on an unprecedented second chance and it snowballs from there.

You people really are amazing. Baloo is laying the wood in this thread, and everyone is literally ignoring it.

It amazes me that supposed LSU "fans" can't even look at their own team objectively.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59752 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:14 pm to
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Because that is exactly what I meant by that statement. Talk about a reach.


Hmm. What exactly did you mean by:

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Miles is the lsu program right now


You have on numerous occasions accused people of denegrating LSU for criticising Miles. So, it seems pretty obvious, especially in light of this statement, that you have elevated the man to the status of actually embodying and personifying LSU. Seems pretty delusional to me.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:14 pm to
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I never said I would. But since that isn't an option, I don't want to throw out a successful coach and also continue to discredit everything that happens like many have been doing.


Pumper Prime Directive #2: Hyperbole Trumps Reality

Where have I said, for instance, fire Les Miles? Link?

In fact I've said the opposite.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:15 pm to
This year's game was in the balance until the very end - so, yes, either coach could take either set of talent and beat the other.
Posted by BeeFense5
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:15 pm to
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I'm not even totally sure how much a new OC would fix the problem. I think its becoming clear that we are going to run what Les wants to run for better or for worse. And usually, its for worse as far as the O is concerned.


I miss the '07 offense. Ever since '08 things have been drastically different.
Posted by The312
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:16 pm to
I'm not sure what this thread is supposed to prove. There isn't an answer that is particularly flattering to Miles. Either the answer is yes, and our woes lie in tactical coaching. Or the answer is no, which merely demonstrates that Saban's recruiting has generated a significant talent advantage at Alabama.

In any event, everyone concedes that Saban is a better coach, so why are we still debating various far-flung hypotheticals? The only thing we can do as fans is hope that Miles improves or Saban declines. That's really all.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 1:18 pm
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143616 posts
Posted on 1/8/13 at 1:16 pm to
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It amazes me that supposed LSU "fans" can't even look at their own team objectively.


you think we came to play offensively against UGA or Alabama (either time) last year? Are you watching this fricking offense? Seriously. Chavis has his guy's ready week in and week out. Les can't get his side of the ball moving IN FIVE YEARS IN A ROW.

You people turning a blind eye to an obvious problem are laughable. ITS OK LES HAS EM RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS EM!!!!!1one
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