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Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:35 am to Swat5
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And B was nothing close to Clobbering...that's idiotic to be kind.
Idiotic is a word I'd use to describe the calls in that game as well.
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Are we even close to winning without Miles as our coach and some other wannabe in there?
Dumb question. There is absolutely know way to know. It's an argument from ignorance.
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Miles has still beaten Saban 3 times...and Bama always has talent..period.
Game 1 was in 2007: LSU's NC team versus Saban in year one after kicking several players off the team.
Since then, Miles, who DIDN'T kick certain players off the team in 2007, has suffered the consequences. ZERO BCS victories.
Saban: THREE national titles and a 4-2 record against Miles.
:playerscoach:
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:37 am to guttata
YYYEEESSSS!!!!!! look what he did with a BAMA team that he inherited from HEATH SHULA...Its pretty clear that Saban is MILES ahead of the rest of the coaches in the country and hes definately MILES ahead of our coach whos LES .....Sabans whole coaching staff is MILES ahead of everyone else, SABAN and his staff with a month to prepare, I take saban 9-1/2 times out of 10
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:37 am to theunknownknight
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Since then, Miles, who DIDN'T kick certain players off the team in 2007, has suffered the consequences. ZERO BCS victories.
Saban: THREE national titles and a 4-2 record against Miles.
:playerscoach:
read it pumpers.
This is reality. your sunshine is just bs.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:47 am to CptBengal
Guess that ended the thread. Another victory for the Paul Reveres of the board! 
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:48 am to theunknownknight
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Guess that ended the thread. Another victory for the Paul Reveres of the board!
Your goal is to be the most negative, trash the program and discredit past successes of the lsu program. Congrats. You are succeeding.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:48 am to theunknownknight
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Paul Reveres of the board!
and your prize for that is: nothing. The same results that people who think differently than you experience.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:49 am to theunknownknight
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Game 1 was in 2007: LSU's NC team versus Saban in year one after kicking several players off the team.
Since then, Miles, who DIDN'T kick certain players off the team in 2007, has suffered the consequences. ZERO BCS victories.
Saban: THREE national titles and a 4-2 record against Miles.
Yeah, I don't think we should include 2007 either. The gap in quality between the teams was too great, and LSU won.
but the same holds true in 2008 and 2009. No one argues those teams were remotely even. Alabama went 15-1 in SEC play those two seasons while LSU went 8-8. Bama won both games narrowly, one in OT. There's little evidence there Saban could have won with Miles' talent.
In the past three seasons, as LSU has returned to the nation's elite, the two teams have gone 2-2 against one another. Saban clearly dominated the rematch in 2011, but I think he was outcoached this year. It's just that Miles' gambles didn't pay off. But they were necessary gambles given LSU's personnel losses. Do you think that if LSU had Blue, Faulk, and Matheiu for that game while Bama was short Milliner, Barrett Jones, and Lacy that Bama wins the game? Bama needed a miracle drive, and that's with LSU short its three best players. Give those players back to LSU, and take away three of Bama's best from Saban, I doubt Bama wins. And that would be the best simulation for whether Saban could "win with LSU's talent".
Over the past three years, Alabama has played a consistently easier schedule than LSU, yet Bama has lost five games over that span compared to LSU's six losses. An extremely narrow gap. The team's also each have one SEC title.
The gap, of course, is in MNC's, and flags fly forever. This is historic run by Bama. But the actual gap in quality between the two programs in regards to actual on-field results is quite small. And I see no evidence that makes me think Saban could have won with LSU's teams in the same circumstances other than wishful thinking.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:50 am to BeeFense5
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Your goal is to be the most negative, trash the program and discredit past successes of the lsu program. Congrats. You are succeeding.
Les Miles <> the program
You just fulfilled the Pumper Prime Directive #3: False equivocation
again
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:52 am to Baloo
Don't bother wasting that much logic on theunknownknight, MD.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 11:52 am to theunknownknight
Nah, you are of the ilk that have done everything to trash the lsu program's national title in 2007.
Miles is the lsu program right now. When he is gone one day he won't be. You are just trying to use fancy semantics to try and hide that you are actually shitting on the program you claim to support.
Miles is the lsu program right now. When he is gone one day he won't be. You are just trying to use fancy semantics to try and hide that you are actually shitting on the program you claim to support.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:04 pm to BeeFense5
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Nah, you are of the ilk that have done everything to trash the lsu program's national title in 2007.
Show me ONE post in my entire posting history where I've trashed the 2007 title.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:30 pm to Baloo
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In the past three seasons, as LSU has returned to the nation's elite, the two teams have gone 2-2 against one another. Saban clearly dominated the rematch in 2011, but I think he was outcoached this year. It's just that Miles' gambles didn't pay off. But they were necessary gambles given LSU's personnel losses. Do you think that if LSU had Blue, Faulk, and Matheiu for that game while Bama was short Milliner, Barrett Jones, and Lacy that Bama wins the game? Bama needed a miracle drive, and that's with LSU short its three best players. Give those players back to LSU, and take away three of Bama's best from Saban, I doubt Bama wins. And that would be the best simulation for whether Saban could "win with LSU's talent".
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Over the past three years, Alabama has played a consistently easier schedule than LSU, yet Bama has lost five games over that span compared to LSU's six losses. An extremely narrow gap. The team's also each have one SEC title.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:31 pm to theunknownknight
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Les Miles <> the program
by discrediting his success you discredit the success of the program
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:33 pm to Baloo
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In the past three seasons, as LSU has returned to the nation's elite, the two teams have gone 2-2 against one another. Saban clearly dominated the rematch in 2011, but I think he was outcoached this year. It's just that Miles' gambles didn't pay off. But they were necessary gambles given LSU's personnel losses. Do you think that if LSU had Blue, Faulk, and Matheiu for that game while Bama was short Milliner, Barrett Jones, and Lacy that Bama wins the game? Bama needed a miracle drive, and that's with LSU short its three best players. Give those players back to LSU, and take away three of Bama's best from Saban, I doubt Bama wins. And that would be the best simulation for whether Saban could "win with LSU's talent".
Over the past three years, Alabama has played a consistently easier schedule than LSU, yet Bama has lost five games over that span compared to LSU's six losses. An extremely narrow gap. The team's also each have one SEC title.
The gap, of course, is in MNC's, and flags fly forever. This is historic run by Bama. But the actual gap in quality between the two programs in regards to actual on-field results is quite small. And I see no evidence that makes me think Saban could have won with LSU's teams in the same circumstances other than wishful thinking.
this will be ignored
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:34 pm to Choctaw
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by discrediting his success you discredit the success of the program
So, by your own implication, when the "program" fails to win a BCS bowl for the last five seasons would you say that is all on Miles?
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:44 pm to theunknownknight
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So, by your own implication, when the "program" fails to win a BCS bowl for the last five seasons would you say that is all on Miles?
all on Miles? no mostly on Miles? yes
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:48 pm to Baloo
Good post up until this:
How do you come to this conclusion after saying what you said?
The only way to get from A to B to C in your post is to say that:
1. Miles is a poor recruiter of talent in relation to Saban's teams
Or
2. Miles has done a poor job developing that talent when compared to Saban
Obviously if Saban is on this historic run and talent is equal, Saban is doing something above and beyond Miles in the last 5 seasons.
My assertion is Saban came in a took control of his players and laid down consistent rules with a foundation of an "earn your play on the field. I owe you nothing, you owe it to yourself attitude"
It seems like Miles lets his players dictate more and over time, we have started to see a distinct difference in the programs.
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And I see no evidence that makes me think Saban could have won with LSU's teams in the same circumstances other than wishful thinking.
How do you come to this conclusion after saying what you said?
The only way to get from A to B to C in your post is to say that:
1. Miles is a poor recruiter of talent in relation to Saban's teams
Or
2. Miles has done a poor job developing that talent when compared to Saban
Obviously if Saban is on this historic run and talent is equal, Saban is doing something above and beyond Miles in the last 5 seasons.
My assertion is Saban came in a took control of his players and laid down consistent rules with a foundation of an "earn your play on the field. I owe you nothing, you owe it to yourself attitude"
It seems like Miles lets his players dictate more and over time, we have started to see a distinct difference in the programs.
This post was edited on 1/8/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:50 pm to Choctaw
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all on Miles? no mostly on Miles? yes
All on the program or mostly on the program?
Follow your own logic.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 12:51 pm to theunknownknight
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With Bama having a great chance to threepeat, if they do, they would be one play against Florida from winning it 5 out of 6 years
You sound like a true spoken gump
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