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Poz on Hamilton and Pujols
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:49 pm
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I just wanted to post this because it ties into a debate Lester and I were having after the Hamilton signing. While I agree that the Angels are better off in Year One in the deal, I think they are in deep trouble over the full five year term of the deal, as I think he declines rapidly.
Anyway, I thought it was interesting. The young players are USUALLY the better bet. Not always, but usually. Even over Hall of Fame quality players, which Pujols certainly is and Hamilton might be, depending on how he ages.
Father Time is undefeated.
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Which of these two sets of teammates would you rather have for the next five years if MONEY IS NOT A CONSIDERATION?
1. Anaheim's Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton.
2. Kansas City's Eric Hosmer and Salvador Perez.
Yeah, you might have thought the question was going to be about how overpriced Pujols and Hamilton are. They are overpriced. But no, take all the money talk away. I'm asking a plain and simple question: Which pair will be more valuable on the field the next five years?
Let's get to the point.
I just wanted to post this because it ties into a debate Lester and I were having after the Hamilton signing. While I agree that the Angels are better off in Year One in the deal, I think they are in deep trouble over the full five year term of the deal, as I think he declines rapidly.
Anyway, I thought it was interesting. The young players are USUALLY the better bet. Not always, but usually. Even over Hall of Fame quality players, which Pujols certainly is and Hamilton might be, depending on how he ages.
Father Time is undefeated.
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Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:54 pm to Baloo
Screw pujols
Posted on 12/18/12 at 4:59 pm to Baloo
Well the contract in 5 years Hamilton will be 36 and Albert 37. I don't think anyone expects them to perform at current level at that point. However, over next 3 seasons I would prefer them over Hosmer/Perez.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:02 pm to Baloo
I posted this in another thread earlier.
Interesting stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if both declined much rapidly than even the 5 years Poz suggests. There's already signs of it happening to both.
Interesting stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if both declined much rapidly than even the 5 years Poz suggests. There's already signs of it happening to both.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:09 pm to Baloo
I don't think anyone would chose the older guys vs the younger guys in 5 years.
Hosmer may be the best hitter in the game and Perez may very well be one of the top catchers offensively and defensively.
Hes comparing Players from the 80s and back if I recall from reading it earlier. Players are taking care of their bodies better and there are other treatment luxuries that are afforded to them. They can both DH. Pujols can sit at 1B. Seems like a forced devils advocate type article to me.
Hosmer may be the best hitter in the game and Perez may very well be one of the top catchers offensively and defensively.
Hes comparing Players from the 80s and back if I recall from reading it earlier. Players are taking care of their bodies better and there are other treatment luxuries that are afforded to them. They can both DH. Pujols can sit at 1B. Seems like a forced devils advocate type article to me.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:11 pm to Baloo
It is damn near impossible to predict a 30 year olds future production.
The injury factor increases by a huge amount while their body is basically starting to fall apart.
That being said, we are talking about a future HOF and a player that would have been in the HOF if not for his drug use. It's a pretty difficult decision, but good young talent is hard to pass up.
The injury factor increases by a huge amount while their body is basically starting to fall apart.
That being said, we are talking about a future HOF and a player that would have been in the HOF if not for his drug use. It's a pretty difficult decision, but good young talent is hard to pass up.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 5:12 pm to Baloo
There's a lot of fluff in that article.
For instance, the 5 guys with great 32 and 33 year old seasons: 2 did roids and the others played in the 70's and 80's and did not have the training available to them today.
Will these guys be the same player at 36 as they were at 32? No, I don't think anyone thinks that. But guys like torri hunter, konerko, thome, frank Thomas, etc prove that they can be pretty close.
And pujols & Hamilton even at 3/4ths of their best production are still all stars.
So yea, Brett Boone & Sammy Sosa broke down, is that so shocking?
So Fred Lynn didnt slug .500 any more, just a mere 480.
And so they may not both have an adj OPS of 170....honestly who cares? That's a cherry picked number to boost his argument. It doesn't mean they won't be affective
For instance, the 5 guys with great 32 and 33 year old seasons: 2 did roids and the others played in the 70's and 80's and did not have the training available to them today.
Will these guys be the same player at 36 as they were at 32? No, I don't think anyone thinks that. But guys like torri hunter, konerko, thome, frank Thomas, etc prove that they can be pretty close.
And pujols & Hamilton even at 3/4ths of their best production are still all stars.
So yea, Brett Boone & Sammy Sosa broke down, is that so shocking?
So Fred Lynn didnt slug .500 any more, just a mere 480.
And so they may not both have an adj OPS of 170....honestly who cares? That's a cherry picked number to boost his argument. It doesn't mean they won't be affective
Posted on 12/18/12 at 6:03 pm to Baloo
Over the next 5 years?
Hamilton and Pujols. It's not even close for me.
Hamilton and Pujols. It's not even close for me.
Posted on 12/18/12 at 7:34 pm to Baloo
Im taking Hamilton & Pujols. People forget that even when they fade a bit their production still tops 95% of others.
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