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re: LSU's 2 losses in 2012
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:25 pm to The312
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:25 pm to The312
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I'll ask again: If Bama and Florida can two NC's in three years, why can't LSU? If it isn't a coaching delta, then what is the reason?
Because its a rhetorical question dipshit. LSU is capable of doing so. So is Notre Dame. So is Oregon. I'm not in the boat that you miserable pessimistic fcks stay in all year. LSU is fully capable.
Now, you answer who you believe LSU could land to get them to the promised land. A question you've avoided for 2 pages
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:27 pm to The312
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I'll ask again: If Bama and Florida can two NC's in three years, why can't LSU?
Who said LSU can't? Do you have any idea how rare that's happened?
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If it isn't a coaching delta, then what is the reason?
There are other teams that have = or better talent. Circumstances play a role. The teams that play in the BCS CG are put there based on a poll, a glorified popularity contest.
But since you think coaching is the issue. What's your solution? Who would you hire that you are so certain would win those 2 titles in 3 years. Keeping in mind we could count on one hand the coaches that have accomplished that feat in the last 30 or so years? What coach is going to come in here and do a better job? You are the one speaking in non-sequitors. Holding as a standard something that's happened very rarely.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:27 pm to Prominentwon
Dammit I'm upset with myself for letting you troll me. ![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/Iconbanghead.gif)
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:29 pm to The312
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it's an inferiority complex
It's quite clear you are the one with the inferiority complex. You are continually comparing everything to Alabama and Florida. There are probably 20 + teams "capable" of winning multiple titles in a short period. 6-7 in the SEC alone.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:30 pm to Prominentwon
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Dammit I'm upset with myself for letting you troll me.
I really hate some of our fan base
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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But since you think coaching is the issue. What's your solution? Who would you hire that you are so certain would win those 2 titles in 3 years. Keeping in mind we could count on one hand the coaches that have accomplished that feat in the last 30 or so years? What coach is going to come in here and do a better job? You are the one speaking in non-sequitors. Holding as a standard something that's happened very rarely.
He's been avoiding that and I'm sure whoever name he throws out, he'll defend to the death just so his argument is safe.
As I said. Gump all day
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:33 pm to Prominentwon
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with massive injuries, suspensions,, and ridiculous youth across the board.
This is a great comment - I never remember seeing as many players go down like I did in the FL game
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:37 pm to Prominentwon
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LSU is capable of doing so. So is Notre Dame. So is Oregon. I'm not in the boat that you miserable pessimistic fcks stay in all year. LSU is fully capable.
I'm not pessimistic at all. Remember, I'm the one vociferously arguing that LSU can and should win multiple titles in a short period. That's optimism. That's belief in the underlying strength of the program. You say LSU is fully capable. I agree. We have the facilities, the recruiting base, and the monetary commitment to win multiple titles in short time frame.
So why haven't we? If Bama and FLorida, why not LSU? What is it that Bama/Florida had that LSU lacks? All three have great facilities. All three have incredible athletes. All three had heavy donor support. But Bama/Florida had elite tactical coaches. Bama has Saban, a defensive guru. And Florida had Meyer, an offensive genius (who just concluded an undefeated season at OSU in his first year, BTW). LSU doesn't have an elite tactical coach. We have a great recruiter with modest gameday skills who has to rely heavily on his assistants.
This is my whole point. To fulfill LSU's potential and win multiple NC's, we need a tactically ELITE coach. That's the key ingredient, if FLorida and Bama's experiences are to be used a template. And Miles isn't that. At least, not yet. I don't know how much more he can develop at this stage of his career, though.
This post was edited on 11/24/12 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:41 pm to The312
It's not about being tactically elite.
Alabama benefitted from schedule and a unique set of circumstances to have a chance never afforded to another before last year.
Florida had a transcendant quarterback.
Neither had to do with coaching acumen.
Alabama benefitted from schedule and a unique set of circumstances to have a chance never afforded to another before last year.
Florida had a transcendant quarterback.
Neither had to do with coaching acumen.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:41 pm to Prominentwon
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He's been avoiding that and I'm sure whoever name he throws out, he'll defend to the death just so his argument is safe.
The problem with people like him is he acts like LSU is in this vacuum. That nothing anyone else does has an impact on anything. Only what Les does has any impact on anything.
He keeps saying Florida won 2 in 3 years that's true, but Spurrier didn't. He "only" won 1 in 12 years. He also got destroyed in a NC game by a coach that won 3 in 4 years. He was also 5-8-1 vs Bowden and FSU. By his standards, Florida and Spurrier were settling for 2nd in the state i supposed since he didn't win 3 in 4 years like Osborne or 2 in 7 like Bowden. Of course both Bowden and Osborne were HC's for 20 years before winning their first title. If he was in charge I assume both would have been fired for failing to win a title at all.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:45 pm to Prominentwon
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Bowls are ghey. Whats the point. Yea, we get to play another game.
well, there is something called an extra month of practice and all.
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Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
Alabama also benefitted greatly these last few years from their permanent bitter rival being in disarray. There is no denying that.
Every game between LSU and Alabama (save one) in recent memory have come down to one or two plays per game. The two programs are even in ability. We have just wound up on the short end of execution two times in a row. But were ahead the two times before that.
Every game between LSU and Alabama (save one) in recent memory have come down to one or two plays per game. The two programs are even in ability. We have just wound up on the short end of execution two times in a row. But were ahead the two times before that.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:46 pm to The312
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So why haven't we?
How do you know we won't?
Tom Osborne won 3 in 4 years, but didn't win his first until his 22nd season. What would you have said then?
Dennis Erickson won 2 in 3 years at Miami. Was he a tactically elite coach? Why didn't he win more?
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To fulfill LSU's potential and win multiple NC's, we need a tactically ELITE coach. That's the key ingredient
Name one that's available.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:48 pm to The312
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This is my whole point. To fulfill LSU's potential and win multiple NC's, we need a tactically ELITE coach. That's the key ingredient, if FLorida and Bama's experiences are to be used a template. And Miles isn't that. At least, not yet. I don't know how much more he can develop at this stage of his career, though.
So you want a dynasty, yet have no answer as to who would come in and be as successful as Miles has been while bringing the program to the next level.
I'm sure the AD department thinks its an easy job as well
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
Great examples. If Dennis Erickson were "tactically elite", why did he get fired from Arizona State?
And can anyone seriously argue that Osborne was "tactically elite"? His offense was as conservative as they come.
And can anyone seriously argue that Osborne was "tactically elite"? His offense was as conservative as they come.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:53 pm to Tiger Phil
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Alabama also benefitted greatly these last few years from their permanent bitter rival being in disarray. There is no denying that.
Last year they beat 3 FBS teams that had a winning record in the regular season: 10-2 Ark, 9-3 PSU and 7-5 Auburn. That's it.
This year so far, they've beaten 4 teams with winning records and only 1 with 10 wins.
To put it in perspective, LSU beat 4 teams that won 10 games in 2011 and 2 this year. That's 6 10 win teams to 2, 3 if they beat UGA. If both teams win out, LSU will be 24-3, Bama 25-2 over the last 2 years, while LSU played a tougher schedule.
Posted on 11/24/12 at 11:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
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How do you know we won't?
I, of course, can't predict the future. Nor can you. However, the only available guide to future performance is past results. Miles has one NC in eight years. It would be surprising if he suddenly won two or three NC's. Not impossible, but improbable, based on available data, especially considering that he would have to consistently beat Saban to do so.
Your anecdotes from days of yore are a bit misleading. As you know, there are significant structural differences between CFB today and CFB twenty to forty years ago.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:11 am to The312
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However, the only available guide to future performance is past results. Miles has one NC in eight years. It would be surprising if he suddenly won two or three NC's. Not impossible, but improbable,
Anyone winning 2-3 NC's is improbable. That's just a silly standard. Only a hadful of coaches have ever won more than that.
But again I'll ask the question prom as asked and you refuse to answer. Who do you think would do better? Name a coach that could come in and win multiple titles in a short period.
As long as he recruits talent and hires good assistants, we will have a chance to win a NC.
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Your anecdotes from days of yore are a bit misleading. As you know, there are significant structural differences between CFB today and CFB twenty to forty years ago.
Bravo on the brilliant crawfish maneuver. This is awesomely ironic. You are using 2 examples, Florida 06, 08 and Bama 09, 11 but my examples are misleading? They are only misleading because they don't suit your anti-Miles agenda.
Using past results as a guide after 21 years Tom Osborne should not have won a NC, yet alone 3 in 4 years. The only structural difference between now and the mid 90's is that programs like LSU have risen up, hurting past elite programs like Nebraska and Tennessee that have no natural talent base.
We're not getting Saban back, we're not getting Meyer. Name who is better? Otherwise all you are doing is the worst kind of Monday morning QBing. We'd all rather be in the BCS CG. But that we are not does not make the season a failure. That our coach is not in the top 5 of all time does not make him a bad coach. Rather than enjoy the best era of LSU FB you are whining because we haven't done something that's only been done a handful of times in history. That's pretty sad.
Posted on 11/25/12 at 12:15 am to H-Town Tiger
Tailgate all day, travel to shitsville SE every week and don't watch the games. Every team is flawed, get out of the LSU microcosm and get some perspective superfan.
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