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re: When the Topic of an OC is Brought Up.....
Posted on 10/25/12 at 8:51 am to OGTiger
Posted on 10/25/12 at 8:51 am to OGTiger
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why are so many on the Rant so quick to criticize?
Many are quick to criticize because the current OC isn't going anywhere and most of the discussion of who could replace him are pipe dreams. It's a pointless discussion that's talked about entirely too much.
Most people recognize their are problems with the offense. However the critics on this board don't want to accept that this style of offense can be successful and the blame doesn't fall solely on the play calling.
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All is well now but when the gumps come to town and shut the vaunted LSU running game down and the passing game is nowhere to be found (see MNC game) all hell is gonna break loose
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And, the deer in headlight look coming from CLM after Nov. 3rd will be just as obvious as it was following the MNC. Unfortunately, Bobby Hebert won't be there to ask why LSU couldn't pick up a first down until mid-way thought the 3rd qtr. and why they only crossed mid-field twice.
And it's this kind of defeatist attitude that really rubs people the wrong way. We have a very good football team playing at home and people act like Bama is unbeatable. I've never seen a fanbase so quick to give up on a successful team.
What's the point of being an LSU fan if you don't believe they can win? 99% of other fanbases would trade for the success LSU has in a heartbeat.
So it's not the discussion of offensive woes that causes backlash. It's the failue to appreciate what this team has done over the years that ruffles feathers.
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Posted on 10/25/12 at 8:58 am to OGTiger
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And, if you don't think coaches read message boards.....then you're naive
I would have a serious problem if any coach spent time reading a message board
Posted on 10/25/12 at 9:01 am to EarthwormJim
And, Bill Clinton didn't have time for a good time with Monica while serving as Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation in the history of the planet.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 9:02 am to OGTiger
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And, Bill Clinton didn't have time for a good time with Monica while serving as Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful nation in the history of the planet
K. Great point
Posted on 10/25/12 at 9:23 am to OGTiger
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Is it really asking too much to have a passing game that rivals Akron, Buffalo or New Mexico State? Is it???
Totally agree.
And it is frustrating knowing that an efficent offense is was seperates LSU from being absolutley dominant the past 3 seasons.
It's not too much to ask for an offense that is capable of passing the ball.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 9:28 am to Scoob
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Give them time.
You mean like 8 games into the season kinda time? Too many teams come into the season looking much better prepared and much better coached than our offense does 2/3 of the way through the season (even prior to the OL injuries). Something is/has been wrong with the offense and improvement is not being seen. That's where all of the angst (some of it misguided) seems to originate. Whatever the scheme, show me some improvement in WHATEVER it is you try to do.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 9:46 am to LSU GrandDad
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miles with do what's right; he always has and he will continue to. but many fans want instant change and that appears not to be possible.
This is cow patty! Tamu did it in 1 spring and summer! Sumlin changed their WHOLE offense!
Get your head out of the sand!
Posted on 10/25/12 at 10:05 am to Croozin2
quote:Injuries, QB being new, players trying to overcompensate... I think it snowballed early this season. Auburn game- people know Auburn sucks, but tend to forget Lemonier doesn't, and that he faced off against a rusty backup who'd sat out a year. That made a difference, and Auburn still had some desperate hopes of salvaging the season (and paying us back for last year's blowout). We made mistakes early or that game was gonna be easy; instead we gave them life.
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Give them time.
You mean like 8 games into the season kinda time? Too many teams come into the season looking much better prepared and much better coached than our offense does 2/3 of the way through the season (even prior to the OL injuries). Something is/has been wrong with the offense and improvement is not being seen. That's where all of the angst (some of it misguided) seems to originate. Whatever the scheme, show me some improvement in WHATEVER it is you try to do.
Look, did you think the scheme sucked last year with Lee? Beckham was catching everything last season, compared to nothing this year.
I think it's pretty easy to find the pattern if you look:
o-line is decimated, put in a bunch of young WRs, and a new QB whose past success was in juco, not the SEC. Game is fast to Mett still, and the o-line getting blown up hasn't helped him to calm down and develop. Most of the WRs are just now becoming major players instead of bench guys, so early season drops are expected. The only guy with experience (Beckham) is trying to do too much instead of playing within himself... the whole thing just took a life of it's own.
Let's see what comes out of the break. Let's see if the staff can calm things down a bit. I think a little success can go a long way with these guys.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 10:11 am to Jaketigger
quote:A&M did it with a good offensive line intact instead of a bunch of backups. We controlled them from the 2nd quarter on. That offense would render Hilliard and Copeland useless, Ware and Hill to average status, and risk tiring out our defense with a bunch of 3 and out possessions. We'd get caught up in shootouts. And besides that, we don't have a QB to run that system.
This is cow patty! Tamu did it in 1 spring and summer! Sumlin changed their WHOLE offense!
Get your head out of the sand!
Other than that, sure, go ahead.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 10:48 am to Scoob
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did you think the scheme sucked last year with Lee?
Now, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said it was necessarily the scheme. I said WHATEVER the scheme, show me improvement. I haven't seen that.
It sounds like the perrinial "Wait til next year". There is an excuse for everything if you look for it. There is NO excuse for a program as talented as this, to underperform like this. There are Frosh QBs outperforming ours. 8 games in, you aren't a "new" QB anymore.
Once again, for a program at our level, I don't see anyone struggling as mightily as we are in this department, and all teams deal with the same issues we do, to different extents.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 10:54 am to tigerpimpbot
The responses are so typical...
quote:fixed for you OP.
1) If you think you can do a better job.....
2) STFU.....
3) LSU is 7-1...what do you want?.....
4) CLM has forgot more football than you'll ever know.....
5) Some LSU fans will never be satisfied...
6) Gruden / Bear Bryant.....etc. etc. etc.
7) Oak Grove?
STFU
Redneck and DIAF and GFY. I bet your accent makes you sound like you're from Arkansas.
This post was edited on 10/25/12 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/25/12 at 10:58 am to EarthwormJim
quote:Someone gives them the major issues that fans are concerned about, don't fool yourself.
I would have a serious problem if any coach spent time reading a message board
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:06 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Someone gives them the major issues that fans are concerned about, don't fool yourself.
Self Important Much?
Coaches are given their targets/goals (on and off the field) and NCAA guidelines.
No coach is going to be spending time analyzing feedback from self appointed football coaches on a message board.
It would be worrisome only if even the tiniest bit of time that could spent working or even with his family would be spent on this irrelevant inconsequential data from the boards.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:13 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Someone gives them the major issues that fans are concerned about, don't fool yourself
This is one of the problems with the rant. You're opinions and complaints aren't as important or as significant as you think they are.
I promise you the coaching staff isn't reading the rant. The staff isn't listening to the fanbase when in comes to coaching football
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:22 am to Scoob
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A&M did it with a good offensive line intact instead of a bunch of backups. We controlled them from the 2nd quarter on. That offense would render Hilliard and Copeland useless, Ware and Hill to average status, and risk tiring out our defense with a bunch of 3 and out possessions. We'd get caught up in shootouts. And besides that, we don't have a QB to run that system.
I think the point is that A&M's O actually functions (whatever its style). It's doing so with a new coach and a RSFr QB.
"We controlled them from the 2nd quarter on" - indeed, but they were playing against our D. They make life miserable for everyone.
Try this: OM has a new coach, a soph QB out of JC, mostly players we don't even recruit and they put together two long TD drives vs Bama at Bama and not during trash time either. How? How do they do it?
Our struggles on O transcend QBs, OCs, injuries, penalties, drops, and on and on.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:26 am to Scoob
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Next, you have to be careful not to change too much scheme, or the experienced players are just as lost as new recruits. You would like freshmen starting if they are great players, but you don't want to lose upperclassmen because they no longer fit what the team does.
OM has a new coach . . . (just see in my post above)
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:32 am to AlwysATgr
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OM has a new coach . . . (just see in my post above)
I profess no internal knowledge of the situation but my guess would be that in case of OM - you are pretty much at the bottom of the ladder and any and every thing results in an upward swing.
A&M had a prolific passing offense even before Sumlin got there and he continued it without too much disruption. Going by their win/loss ratio and the way they win and lose - I am seeing familiar issues ( second half losses, close high scoring games, bad defenses).
Posted on 10/25/12 at 11:58 am to Rickdaddy4188
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You do realize that Bama rarely shuts down our running game , right? Jan.9th was an outlier
I believe we only had about 140yds on Nov 5th.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 12:26 pm to Jdawgz
I think the issue here for me is that windows to win National Championships are small.. We had a team good enough to win one last year, and we would have a team that is capable of doing it this year if we had some resemblance of an offensive gameplan. The truth is, if we have a top 50-60 offensively ranked squad we could be looking at a possible repeat this year. I do not believe this is a player issue - we are as talent rich (outside of having a true #1 WR this year) on both sides of the ball as we've maybe ever been at LSU.
Posted on 10/25/12 at 1:27 pm to GeauxDat1207
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The truth is, if we have a top 50-60 offensively ranked squad we could be looking at a possible repeat this year. I do not believe this is a player issue - we are as talent rich (outside of having a true #1 WR this year) on both sides of the ball as we've maybe ever been at LSU
I am not happy w/the Off output myself, its been pitiful. But, being a fan looking on the bright side, losing 3 starting O linemen IS a big deal. No matter how well the back ups are doing, the starters started for a reason. Its hard to defend our lack of creativity or rythym w/playcalling. It seems so fragmented, like they pick random plays out of a raffle hopper up in the press box!
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