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It just seems that Miles approach to offense is
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:06 am
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:06 am
to simply out talent you. If he can blow you off the ball, he knows how to make it a long night for you. But I'm sorry, if confronted with a team that he can't simply manhandle, Miles seems befuddled as to a plan B.
This is in direct contrast to how LSU has been on D in the last few years. Occasionally, we've bumped into a team that seems to have our number at the outset but in most of of those cases, we've adjusted as the game progressed. I've seen teams light us up a bit in the 1st quarter only to get stoned the rest of the way.
To me, a good coach obviously has a strength but simply has to know how to adjust out of it. To me, failing to do so is like when Spurrier seemed intent on passing like he did early at UF even when he didn't have the horses to do it.
I've pretty much given up on the idea that LSU will ever have a decent offense while Miles is here. Mediocre is what we aspire to. And, because we actually have better talent than 90% of the teams we face, Miles will continue to win enought to stay out of trouble but will continue to lay 1-2 solid eggs a year where we are completely inept.
This is in direct contrast to how LSU has been on D in the last few years. Occasionally, we've bumped into a team that seems to have our number at the outset but in most of of those cases, we've adjusted as the game progressed. I've seen teams light us up a bit in the 1st quarter only to get stoned the rest of the way.
To me, a good coach obviously has a strength but simply has to know how to adjust out of it. To me, failing to do so is like when Spurrier seemed intent on passing like he did early at UF even when he didn't have the horses to do it.
I've pretty much given up on the idea that LSU will ever have a decent offense while Miles is here. Mediocre is what we aspire to. And, because we actually have better talent than 90% of the teams we face, Miles will continue to win enought to stay out of trouble but will continue to lay 1-2 solid eggs a year where we are completely inept.
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Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:22 am to ShortyRob
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I've pretty much given up on the idea that LSU will ever have a decent offense while Miles is here. Mediocre is what we aspire to. And, because we actually have better talent than 90% of the teams we face, Miles will continue to win enought to stay out of trouble but will continue to lay 1-2 solid eggs a year where we are completely inept.
So damn frustrating!
I watched Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State all look great on offense with far less talent. LSU gets great talent and ruins it on offense
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:32 am to Topwater Trout
quote:But you are not a fan of those teams are you? How many NC's those teams got? I've watched my Tigers win 2 within recent memory and also get to the NC last year...i wouldn't trade LSU for any team, it also brings me great satisfaction all the dick heads on ESPN that pick against LSU week in week out...i am good with who we are under Les what are we up to this point 20-2 from last year?
Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:37 am to ShortyRob
There is alot of sense in this post. And Les is the boss so our offensive co-ordinator is following orders. Game planning must not vary much week to week, and the wrinkles or specials put in each week must fit on a post-it note.
Les plays it safe most of the time. So far it has given him a winning record.
I wish he would just step away from the easy to prepare for offense and come out with something new every off. series. It would cetainly make the opposing defenses read more keys and maybe confuse them just long enough for LSU really showcase it's talent.
Les plays it safe most of the time. So far it has given him a winning record.
I wish he would just step away from the easy to prepare for offense and come out with something new every off. series. It would cetainly make the opposing defenses read more keys and maybe confuse them just long enough for LSU really showcase it's talent.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:39 am to LSUCanFAN
The Stubbornness of our Head Coach will once again lose this Bama game. Its more about him thinking he's right, he has proven that already. Pretty much sacrificed a BCS championship and pretty much took it away off his own team just because he wanted to be right and puts his faith on the hands on one QB who clearly was not performing well. The guy has been too soft on his starting QBs and doesn't give his backup QBs any credit. It will be the death of LSU years to come. Stop being so stubborn Coach!
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:49 am to LSUCanFAN
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I've watched my Tigers win 2 within recent memory and also get to the NC last year...i wouldn't trade LSU for any team, it also brings me great satisfaction all the dick heads on ESPN that pick against LSU week in week out...i am good with who we are under Les what are we up to this point 20-2 from last year?
I am shocked when we actually complete a forward pass as I am sure other tiger fans are also.
If you are such a great fan why wouldn't you want to see improvement offensively? You know what is better than 18-2 over the last 2 years... 20-0 and another national title which with just an above average passing game would have been likely.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:08 am to Topwater Trout
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I watched Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State all look great on offense with far less talent
I'm almost positive all of those teams haven't done anything noteworthy besides:
play in the big 12..
be irrelevant..
and allow washington to score around 19 times more points in one game than they did against LSU in the same timeframe.
If you want to have a quick strike offense.. score 50+ points against the teams that suck.. and score 10 against the teams that don't.. feel free to become a baylor, west virginia, texas tech, arkansas, and oklahoma state fan..
Send me a postcard telling me how it feels to be in the other 99 percent of the CFB world..
Some times his calls make me go WTF..but then i sit back and realize he's probably the coach at a top tier school for a reason.. when I'm sitting at home yelling at the tv..
Fix the penalties..
Continue winning.. and I'll be happy..
But yeah.. it's frustrating.. dropped passes.. hampered O-Line and overthrown balls. do.. . blow
winning takes the sting out..
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:13 am to tgerb8
Couldn't agree more! Watch some frieking tape. That throwback screen AM ran on us that got called back was a thing of beauty. We try 1 cool play/formation per game
That's out limit the wildcat pitch to ford that's it then back to running it against a 9 man front or having mett overthrow open receivers.
That's out limit the wildcat pitch to ford that's it then back to running it against a 9 man front or having mett overthrow open receivers.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:19 am to tgerb8
My point when mentioning those teams is they have less talent yet look good offensively. I like being a power running team but there is no excuse to be so inept in the passing game. It is sad and comical that a completed forward pass by LSU feels like a major feat. The ONLY thing holding this teM back is being balanced on offense. If we could sustain drives it will only make the defense better also.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:22 am to Topwater Trout
Look i am not saying i am a super fan and shite would i like to see improvement in the offence? Yes but the Oline is cobbled together because of injuries Mett is a better QB than his numbers suggest the WRs are getting better and we are one of the few teams in college football to have even beaten the mighty Sabans...again i am old enough to remember bowl eligibility and losing seasons...i know historical perspective isn't de rigueur with the fanbase at the moment but frick it... 
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:35 am to Topwater Trout
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My point when mentioning those teams is they have less talent yet look good offensively. I like being a power running team but there is no excuse to be so inept in the passing game. It is sad and comical that a completed forward pass by LSU feels like a major feat. The ONLY thing holding this teM back is being balanced on offense. If we could sustain drives it will only make the defense better also.
I don't disagree. It IS extremely frustrating..
Realistically though.. there are 2 or 3 teams that appear more complete than an offensively inept LSU team at this point in the season..
I think if you offered the A/D a deal stating LSU would only score 7 points every game for the rest of human civilization.. He'd take it 100 times out of 100 if you also said the other team would always score 6 and the fans would be frustrated..
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:36 am to LSUCanFAN
I remember the Hallman years well. LSU can win almost every game they play with bad offense and great defense but...I also know that it hurts our chances against bama. I really don't want to see that little bastard win 3 titles in 4 years especially considering he may be the reason we didn't win one maybe even 2 more.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:39 am to CarlTech
You guys are way off. The offensive game plan was excellent against Tamu. The Tigers repeatedly went deep against 8 man fronts. Jarvis Landry dropped one; Mett missed a wide open TE that would have been a long TD; we hit on one for a TD to Boone; and Mett badly overthrew a handful of others. If the players had done a good - not great - job, we would have had 250 yards passing and a 20 point victory.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:42 am to Topwater Trout
don't disagree with anything you've said in this last post but i am suggesting we look at the Oline and the number of TF we have starting as a possible cause for it...look i HATE N.S. but i would still take Les over him. I don't know if we'll beat Saban this year or next year but i do know the only guy who has a winning record against him is Les Miles...this is no accident.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:42 am to JohnLSU
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The guy has been too soft on his starting QBs and doesn't give his backup QBs any credit.
So last year he should have put his backup in? Who, Mett? The guy you want replaced this year? Now you're crowing for Rivers; in two years you'll be crowing for his backup.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:44 am to LSUCanFAN
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Yes but the Oline is cobbled together because of injuries
All teams have injuries...The fact that the offense often struggles to even execute the simplest of plays has nothing to do with injuries. Sick of hearing this excuse.
This team wins with Defense. Period.
The offense is Junior High complex at best and Les is still trying to perfect it.
There is no rhythem unless the running game is over powering the other team. Mett and receivers never get into a flow and the offense stays nice and choppy pretty much the whole game. Sure the receivers drop passes and they are amplified by the fact that instead of feeling confident that another nicely executed pass play is possible...they feel like....damn, that was our one chance at getting a pass completed this series and I blew it!
The tools are in the shed but the mechanics are monkeys with regard to the offense.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:44 am to Penrod
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You guys are way off. The offensive game plan was excellent against Tamu. The Tigers repeatedly went deep against 8 man fronts. Jarvis Landry dropped one; Mett missed a wide open TE that would have been a long TD; we hit on one for a TD to Boone; and Mett badly overthrew a handful of others. If the players had done a good - not great - job, we would have had 250 yards passing and a 20 point victory.
Cant be. Positives happen= we have great talent. Negatives happen= our coach is terrible.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:46 am to LSUCanFAN
The problem I have with Miles on offense is he is a "strength on strength" type of coach. Reminds me of Bum Phillips answer to a question about play calling. He said that football is simple - "We push them. They push us. Thems that pushes hardest wins."
Teams stack nine in the box and Miles asks his offense to smash into that front play after play. The only thing that makes sense is that he expects our guys to "execute" by pushing harder.
Part of his offensive philosophy may be driven by Pelini's and now Chavis' success on defense. LSU shuts down all of those high flying offenses and when we do, they have no answer because they can't match LSU's strength. Typically the result, like yesterday, is turnovers as they try to force plays that aren't there.
I think that most fans believe that there is a middle ground that requires good coaching and that Miles and his offensive staff can't pull off. Spread the field a little more and force defenders out of the box. Put three WRs and a TE in the pattern and the defense has to drop at least five in coverage or we'll have someone running wide open.
Teams stack nine in the box and Miles asks his offense to smash into that front play after play. The only thing that makes sense is that he expects our guys to "execute" by pushing harder.
Part of his offensive philosophy may be driven by Pelini's and now Chavis' success on defense. LSU shuts down all of those high flying offenses and when we do, they have no answer because they can't match LSU's strength. Typically the result, like yesterday, is turnovers as they try to force plays that aren't there.
I think that most fans believe that there is a middle ground that requires good coaching and that Miles and his offensive staff can't pull off. Spread the field a little more and force defenders out of the box. Put three WRs and a TE in the pattern and the defense has to drop at least five in coverage or we'll have someone running wide open.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:46 am to Penrod
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The Tigers repeatedly went deep against 8 man fronts. Jarvis Landry dropped one; Mett missed a wide open TE that would have been a long TD; we hit on one for a TD to Boone; and Mett badly overthrew a handful of others. If the players had done a good - not great - job, we would have had 250 yards passing and a 20 point victory.
Agree with this.
Game could have been a blowout on our part as TAMU would have really been playing from behind and making more mistakes. At least we opened it up more although some of the timing of the calls was suspect.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 7:49 am to Penrod
The gameplan was better but still sucked. We could counter the 9 men in the box by spreading the field but for 70-80% of the time we choose to run 2 wr formations.
How about some creativity once and a while? A misdirection running play would be nice, perhaps a reverse or a rb screen. Still no imagination offensively...well until we get the ball with 7 minutes left and start slinging the ball all over the field. How can any fan think that was not one of the worst offensive series of the year.
How about some creativity once and a while? A misdirection running play would be nice, perhaps a reverse or a rb screen. Still no imagination offensively...well until we get the ball with 7 minutes left and start slinging the ball all over the field. How can any fan think that was not one of the worst offensive series of the year.
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