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Interesting parallel between Les & Steve Spurrier...

Posted on 10/10/12 at 8:44 am
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14967 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 8:44 am
Steve had the want like Saban did after awhile at UF. He'd shredded the SEC through the early 90's all the way to the early part of the Saban Era at LSU. He left for NFL pastures and found his teeth kicked down his throat.

He came back to take over for Sweeth Louth Holthz at South Carolina.

Since his return, he's morphed from a guy who wanted to run Fun 'N Gun into a shotgun spread based attack that's keyed by a power run game, a QB who runs the ball significantly-and well I might add. Along with a defense centered around great play from its DL.

Then, we have Les, whose spurned the siren song of home calling him back to Michigan for LSU twice if you believe the papers. When he first arrived, Jimbo ran a balanced attack and had recruited amazing, NFL caliber talent. Our offenses keyed a team that-for the first time in the history of modern LSU Football-beat Alabama, Auburn & Florida in the same season.

In 2007, Jimbo left and Crowton came in-running things his way-and we saw heights heretofore unseen by an LSU Offense in many respects, winning a National Title.

In 2008, we began a slow decline after pinning our hopes to RP. In 2009, what was hoped to be a progression seemed to perhaps evidence a plateau-if not a full out regression-in our QB talent that Miles was charged with recruiting without Jimbo for the first time.

In 2010, a problem in the defense began to become a strength, and keyed by a talented tailback, we returned to winning ways, but with a simple shell of our former offensive selves.

In 2011, we simply out-talented teams and saw a defense that was littered with lottery picks, All-Americans, and Heisman Trophy Finalists, game-changers aplenty. The offense ran the ball and feasted on teams in flux like UF & AU, and flat-out-outmanned teams from other conferences like Oregon & UWV.

This year, Les doesn't see fit to make a change. We enter into the heart of the SEC Darkness with a man whose offenses show zero signs of life or improvement. Whose receivers run basic routes which lack any sophistication or seeming conceptual basis.

We see a coach who although he had the same siren songs as Spurrier and decided not to listen, and has likewise won a national title, simply refuses to change his stripes based on the inevitable, inescapable truth:

His philosophy is stale, and he's begun to hold our program back...and has been doing so for much of his tenure in TigerTown.

Just interesting to see one of the most arrogant, self-absorbed, snarky coaches in the game at this level has changed with the times after bringing the modern passing offense to bigtime college football in a major way.

...and then seeing our coach still trying to ram a square peg into a round hole.
Posted by jakedel12
Dallas, Texas
Member since Nov 2006
1449 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 8:56 am to
ok, what coach do want in place of Les?

Just a simple question
Posted by Beltway Bengal
Potomac, Maryland
Member since Feb 2004
519 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 8:57 am to
I can't believe we are actually seeing fans pine for the "good ole days" of Gary Crowton.

I saw it his offensive system in two places and don't want to see it again.

Would I like to see the LSU offense more polished and efficient? Absolutely, but don't tell me Crowton had the answers.

Btw, the jury is still very much out on Jimbo as well.
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 8:59 am
Posted by Papa Tigah
TIGER ISLAND, LA
Member since Sep 2007
18523 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:07 am to
quote:

and then seeing our coach still trying to ram a square peg into a round hole.
Posted by JaxTigah
Jackson, MS
Member since Dec 2009
1499 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:14 am to
I am still trying to find the parallel.
Posted by Kunka
Member since Dec 2010
394 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:15 am to
Great post and your exactly SPOT ON in your remarks!!! LSU has been winning games on pure talent for sometime now relative to their offensive production. Their is no scheme going on at all on the offensive side of the ball it's just ground and pound Big Ten football 1970's style. The difference between LSU on offense and teams like Florida, Alabama for example are that those programs use constant motion, formation shifts, play action, screens, misdirection, etc to run their run heavy offense's. LSU on the other hand does the exact opposite. Same formations with 1 TE and 1 Fullback or 2 TE's and the same run plays of Power & Iso being run over, and over, and over, and over, and over again regardless if there's 8 or even 9 men in the box.
Posted by mach316
Jonesboro, AR
Member since Jul 2012
4781 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:20 am to
Good read. I'm in..
Posted by Msgulfcoasttiger
Member since Oct 2010
128 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:46 am to
I thought this post was going to comment on the fact that Spurrier was a wiz at offense, but knew he had to bring in Bob Stoops to run the defense at Florida. Only after he opened the purse to pay Stoops to come did Florida win the National Championship.. Miles isn't a wiz at either, but he should know he can't continue with the status quo. He needs to hire a quality OC and stay out of the way.
Posted by jakedel12
Dallas, Texas
Member since Nov 2006
1449 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 9:46 am to
quote:

GFunk


first winning with saban's players, now winning with pure talent.

Have you looked at Les's overall record, what coach comes close to his winning percentage in the sec?

You do realize that LSU can not go undefeated every year, we had a chance last year and blew in the championship game. We were lucky to beat bama the first time.

1-3 losses per season is damn respectable in the SEC!

Take a look at other teams in other conferences, rarely do they ever go undefeated.

Can't you just be happy that LSU is respectable every year?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89692 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:06 am to
quote:

This year, Les doesn't see fit to make a change. We enter into the heart of the SEC Darkness with a man whose offenses show zero signs of life or improvement. Whose receivers run basic routes which lack any sophistication or seeming conceptual basis.

We see a coach who although he had the same siren songs as Spurrier and decided not to listen, and has likewise won a national title, simply refuses to change his stripes based on the inevitable, inescapable truth:

His philosophy is stale, and he's begun to hold our program back...and has been doing so for much of his tenure in TigerTown.


I thought your analysis was pretty spot on until you got right here and went off the rails on the crazy derp train.

Mett is the least mobile QB we've had since Rohan Davey (and maybe even less mobile than the Jamaican Tiger). 29 pass plays were called @ Florida, versus 25 runs - my assumption is that all 4 of the sacks/scrambles were passes called either from the booth by Stud, or from the sideline by Miles.

The OL has had to be shuffled twice already this year and they cannot consistently protect the QB (though, at times against Florida it looked like they were getting there). Mett is hot and cold, sometimes spot on, sometimes shaky and sometimes he makes bad decisions with the ball (or at least is very sloppy, at times, with ball security). When he is on, it seems like that is when the protection breaks down OR the receivers get the dropsies.

BUT, to say we haven't gone from whatever the heck the offense was at the back end of the season last year, to a straight, pro-style, heavy on the play action, balanced attack is to ignore the fact that more passes are being called now (or at least it is very close to even for the season). Should we run the wildcat with Mett? Should we change QBs? Should we have a different mix of receiver types? All those are valid questions and the responsibility of all of those answers are Miles' responsibility, but to suggest that things haven't changed when they most clearly have been changed from a style/philosophy standpoint (how many times has Miles gone for it on 4th down this year) seriously undermines some of the very valid points in your analysis.

Also to suggest that because outcome/offensive production has not improved, therefore it cannot improve is tenuous support, at best.

Keeping in mind that Miles has helmed 80 victories at LSU, more and faster than anyone, is the anti-Miles camp shifting from "Saban's players" to "game has passed him by"? After we won 13 straight games last year? Really?
This post was edited on 10/10/12 at 10:08 am
Posted by JaxTigah
Jackson, MS
Member since Dec 2009
1499 posts
Posted on 10/10/12 at 10:58 am to
The point was the only thing parallel between Miles and Spurrier is that they are two of the winningest coaches in the history of the SEC. Since your post was not pointing out that similarity while bashing Miles and praising Spurrier "Interesting Differences" would have been a more appropriate headline.

Your points are one stayed, one didn't. One adapts, one doesn't. One is leading a program on the rise, one is leading a program on the decline. Just fail to see the parallels in this that you do.
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