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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:05 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:05 am to
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Remember when Arya eavesdropped on Varys and illyrio's conversation in GOT? Arys said something along the lines of "and god knows what littlefinger is playing at" and then immediately after he reiterates that Ned is the one who worries him the most. Now Varys who is universally accepted as the MVP in the game of thrones isn't even worried about Petyr Baelish. Varys isn't the type to disregard a person based soley on their rank at birth either. No, if Varys truly saw littlefinger as a legitimate he would have voiced that concern to Illyrio while he was asking for more "little birds" and more coin. Yet he didn't? Why? The only logical answer is that Littlefinger is just another chess piece. He may not be a pawn but he is still being controlled by the man who is actually playing the game.



I just think that Varys has figured out that he has no interest in the squabbles of King's Landing. And if the theories about Aegon and Varys being Blackfyres is true, then really Varys and Littlefinger are more or less on the same page on what they want to get done. Varys' plan is just much larger, grander, and more patient and underground than Littlefinger's is. Littlefinger is a player, but a player that the even bigger one has accounted for.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:19 am to
Great debate right here, but I have to side with OML.

Littlefinger just wants to bring down the system that denied him the love of Catelyn and made him the laughing stock that everyone thinks he is.

He is just as big a player as Tyrion and Varys imo
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:52 am to
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I just think that Varys has figured out that he has no interest in the squabbles of King's Landing. And if the theories about Aegon and Varys being Blackfyres is true, then really Varys and Littlefinger are more or less on the same page on what they want to get done. Varys' plan is just much larger, grander, and more patient and underground than Littlefinger's is. Littlefinger is a player, but a player that the even bigger one has accounted for.


This post makes me think that we're running in circles around each other. Both trying to say the same thing but not quite getting each others point.

I do think littlefinger is a very legitimate player in the game and, using the college football analogy again, has the talent and potential to ruin someone else's season but he just doesn't have quite enough to win it all.

The true powerhouse, the true master manipulator and the true master of the board (Varys) has already accounted for any moves and trickerations that littlefinger and/or Tyrion can bring to the table.

The difference in littlefinger and Tyrion is that littlefinger's presence leads to his company hating him. Littlefinger has no friends everyone of his pawns KNOWS that they are his pawns and that doesn't win him any favors.

Now let's look at Tyrion. He puts off an air that forces people to like him. Jon Snow, for instance, hated his guts before they left winterfell. Yet before Tyrion left the wall Jon shook his hand and called him friend. Bronn met Tyrion while Tyrion was a prisoner and Bronn was his guard yet Bronn became his closest companion. He talked his way out of slavery and into the most powerful sell sword company not named The Golden Company. He wormed his way into friendship with Jon Connington to the point that Jon risked and ultimately contracted grey scale solely to save his life.

Those are the reasons that Tyrion is the most powerful man (not counting Varys/Illyrio) in the series to this point. People have no choice but to love him and that gift is why he is still alive.
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