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re: New NCAA Academic Standards - How bad is this going to hurt us?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:35 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:35 pm to thunderbird1100
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High school is literally all about just doing the work. If you do the work in every class, you'd be hard pressed to make lower than a B.
It's true. Especially in public school's in a state like Louisiana. It's basically busy work to keep the kids occupied.
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Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:39 pm to tigerfan4120
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All this does is take away opportunities for young kids without the means to go to college. Not every one of those kids takes full advantage of college and their education but some are completely transformed by it.
As long as there are no restrictions on the number of academic redshirts (I don't know if there is), like they did with partial qualifiers, it doesn't take away opportunities; it just limits how soon they can play.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:40 pm to TorNation
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Do you really? So the kids and their parents aren't responsible for taking care of their own business?
kids and parents are responsible for the kid not doing well in the classroom, coach is at fault for making that fact inconsequential
there have been a bunch of changes through the years and most players/schools have adjusted. In reality this should make it easier to qualify because you don't have to back-end load
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:43 pm to Indiana Tiger
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I think the biggest issue is the one that they identify and that is how do you get the word out and get the young kids to take this seriously.
funny.
Q: how do you get students in high school to prepare for life, by learning necessary topics, such as math and English grammar, and chemistry, "queen of sciences".
A: Get them to realize that if they dont they wont get to play football in high school. All you need to do is make the minimum grade requirement in 8th grade a B for participation in 8th grade football.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:45 pm to Indiana Tiger
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As long as there are no restrictions on the number of academic redshirts (I don't know if there is), like they did with partial qualifiers, it doesn't take away opportunities; it just limits how soon they can play.
hey our favorite subject...I would think they would place some restrictions on this, they already seem to have forced attrition on their radar. IMO, sign and place is a much better solution to this, but you would have to go back to 28-29 LOI's.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:47 pm to ottothewise
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A: Get them to realize that if they dont they wont get to play football in high school. All you need to do is make the minimum grade requirement in 8th grade a B for participation in 8th grade football.
"we're trying to win football games here at East Bofunk Middle School, not train rocket scientists"
Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:57 pm to ForeLSU
Kids will rise to the challenge. Either on their own or with assistance*
I don't see this being a problem.
I don't see this being a problem.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 4:00 pm to Indiana Tiger
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As long as there are no restrictions on the number of academic redshirts (I don't know if there is), like they did with partial qualifiers, it doesn't take away opportunities; it just limits how soon they can play.
Fair point, I stand corrected. I still don't really see the need for this and it seems like the NCAA meddling just for the sake of making it look like they actually do something.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 5:02 pm to ProjectP2294
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I blame the lazy arse kids and their parents
FIFY
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:09 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:I 100% agree that it's the responsibility of the athlete and their parents to stay on top the academic side of this. Most high school coaches only care about the kids being eligible by state high school standards, so the kid can be able to play for them. You'd be foolish to believe otherwise. There is the occasional exception, but most don't care what happens with the kid beyond high school. They're moving on to the next "stud" to run the pigskin or shoot the rock! These kids and their parents don't understand that a 2.0 GPA and an 18 ACT score just won't get it done! The kid can have all the verbal offers in the world, if they don't take care of their academics they find themselves at a JUCO or Prep School if they're lucky. Those not so lucky end up stocking shelves at Walmart!
Let me elaborate. I blame the High School coaches for not starting the process for these kids when they are freshmen. I blame them for not educating the players and their families as to what needs to be done to reach the next level. After that, all the blame falls sqaurely on the individual that didn't do the work, or the parents that didn't stay on top of them to do it. If a kid doesn't qualify because he doesn't work hard enough to make it, that's his fault. If a kid doesn't qualify because he didn't start trying until his junior year, that's his and the coach's fault.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:51 pm to wildman77
Hey! I stocked shelves at Wal Mart for 5 years back in the day. 
The point is a good one. I always tell my kids, do well in school and go to college for a career or live a life of labor. Nothing wrong with people that work in the labor trades(I do) but most people would prefer, at some point, to not have to labor anymore. It's hard on the body. Might as well do all you can do while young to avoid having to work in labor at all.
The point is a good one. I always tell my kids, do well in school and go to college for a career or live a life of labor. Nothing wrong with people that work in the labor trades(I do) but most people would prefer, at some point, to not have to labor anymore. It's hard on the body. Might as well do all you can do while young to avoid having to work in labor at all. Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:59 pm to mule74
These new academic standards will be a huge benefit to Junior Colleges across the country.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:33 pm to ProjectP2294
This is dumb. The school should deciede who plays on the schools team. Not the NCAA.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:35 pm to dreaux
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The school should deciede who plays on the schools team.
in a thread about academic standards....classic you never disappoint dreaux
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:37 pm to thunderbird1100
I agree with you 100% thunderbird. If you can't make at least a 2.8 in high school you dont deserve to go to any 4 year college. I laugh that people think these kids deserve to go to college just because they run fast, can catch a ball or shoot a basketball.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:37 pm to ForeLSU
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you never disappoint dreaux
I do try.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:46 pm to lsufanva
quote:I'm not knocking people that work in the labor trade either! I work in a chemical plant. My body is broken down from all the long hours and shift work over the years! I want better for my son, as do most parents. Nobody is interested in hearing you talk about "how good you use to be" while you're sitting in the Breakroom at work after blowing your opportunities! And that's the truth!
Hey! I stocked shelves at Wal Mart for 5 years back in the day. The point is a good one. I always tell my kids, do well in school and go to college for a career or live a life of labor. Nothing wrong with people that work in the labor trades(I do) but most people would prefer, at some point, to not have to labor anymore. It's hard on the body. Might as well do all you can do while young to avoid having to work in labor at all.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 7:39 am to ottothewise
There is an INTENDED result and an ACTUAL result that goes with adjusting the grading standards for participation in extracurricular activities.
There is a time in a youngster's life where the crossroad decision is made. The new standards will unfortunately forces young people to make these critical decisions at a younger age. Thus resulting in the potential of some giving up at an earlier age and wandering into a stupor of hopelessness and lack of productivity!
We all mature in time. But are we all willing to give others the time to mature? The ACADEMIC institution called the NCAA is saying NO to the people who need it the MOST!
Removing hope from a person is a terrible thing. Some will not go to college if not for the athletic opportunity which keeps them in the academic loop. [Of course, no one is saying this right now...]
People talk AGAINST the dependent classes of society. Why do we try to GROW this class of dependency?
It is no secret that our athletic teams are stocked with MINORITY students--and will not pretend this isn't the case. Therefore, the rule changes hurt the chances of mostly minority students.
In five to ten years--people will be talking differently about this than they are today. They will be saying, "we never intended for THIS to happen."
This is not the first time the argument of raising academic standards has been made. There is another side of the argument, which I hope I have brought out.
BTW: I am not an angry black man. I am a white, suburban male who used to coach mostly black and minority athletes. I know from experience.
Yes, some will abuse the system...but that is the risk we take and at least their failings will have occurred at an age where their total life experience will cause them to adjust and not return to despair...
There is a time in a youngster's life where the crossroad decision is made. The new standards will unfortunately forces young people to make these critical decisions at a younger age. Thus resulting in the potential of some giving up at an earlier age and wandering into a stupor of hopelessness and lack of productivity!
We all mature in time. But are we all willing to give others the time to mature? The ACADEMIC institution called the NCAA is saying NO to the people who need it the MOST!
Removing hope from a person is a terrible thing. Some will not go to college if not for the athletic opportunity which keeps them in the academic loop. [Of course, no one is saying this right now...]
People talk AGAINST the dependent classes of society. Why do we try to GROW this class of dependency?
It is no secret that our athletic teams are stocked with MINORITY students--and will not pretend this isn't the case. Therefore, the rule changes hurt the chances of mostly minority students.
In five to ten years--people will be talking differently about this than they are today. They will be saying, "we never intended for THIS to happen."
This is not the first time the argument of raising academic standards has been made. There is another side of the argument, which I hope I have brought out.
BTW: I am not an angry black man. I am a white, suburban male who used to coach mostly black and minority athletes. I know from experience.
Yes, some will abuse the system...but that is the risk we take and at least their failings will have occurred at an age where their total life experience will cause them to adjust and not return to despair...
Posted on 8/7/12 at 8:20 am to mule74
Best thing that could happen to college sports.
Posted on 8/7/12 at 8:28 am to hairydude
It's important to realize that, as far as I know, the new regs do not limit opportunity. They just make those who would qualify under the current but not the new take a redshirt year to get their academic house in order before playing. Increasing high school qualifications would limit opportunity and I agree that that is a counter productive approach that is not in anyone's best interest. Oh, and I'm not a calm and agreeable black man.
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