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re: Penn State vacates all wins from 1998-2011, 4 year postseason ban, $73M fine
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:25 am to Zamoro10
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:25 am to Zamoro10
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It's pretty piss poor that we've bypassed all normal routes for any punishment
people are still going to jail and being charged in the criminal court system. There will be civil suits too. What "normal" method is being bypassed?
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Rushing to judgment and pissing on the proper procedure is never a good idea
Proper procedure is the NCAA comes down with their punishment and ruling, the member school then has time to respond, etc. PSU decided not to fight it and accepted the punishment as handed down. A good move by PSU.
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Penn State agreed because they had no choice.
PSU agreed because it was the best decision to start moving on again.
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Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:25 am to sheek
I'm gonna hey hammered for this.... But how does punishing the current players make up for what happen? I agree with with the 60 mil and the vacating of wins but scholly lost? 10 this year and 20 over the next 3.... That's complete bull... Flame me if u want
What ever idgaf... This is just a power play by the NCAA to scare other schools
What ever idgaf... This is just a power play by the NCAA to scare other schools
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:25 am to Zamoro10
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Sums up this whole bloodlust perfectly. We have our blood, now lets forget about it.
Yep, and the ironic thing is the people actually responsible for the coverup have yet to be charged and convicted but now public pressure will fade away bc a meaningless statue is gone and the football team got a 4 year bowl ban.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:26 am to jacks40
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Statue is down and NCAA has handed out its punishment. Now let's move on.
Big 10 sanctions still to come...
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:27 am to slackster
quote:Bull shite. The NCAA uses precedent all of the time in infractions cases. That is how they are argued 9 times out of ten.
Except that the NCAA has never operated under any sort of precedence, so I do not know why they would start now.
quote:But you are wrong. Masoli was originally ruled ineligible at Ole Miss after transferring from Oregon, but Ole Miss successfully appealed based on past NCAA precedent in other analogous situations.
Like I said earlier, the NCAA has never been big on precendent.
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:27 am to CptBengal
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people are still going to jail and being charged in the criminal court system. There will be civil suits too. What "normal" method is being bypassed?
Since we are talking NCAA punishments I'm guessing he means normal NCAA methods.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:27 am to bwallcubfan
75 is doable. many teams without sanctions have 75 on their roster due to attrition.
65 is death.
65 is death.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:29 am to WDE24
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Masoli was originally rules ineligible at Ole Miss after transferring from Oregon, but Ole Miss successfully appealed based on past NCAA precedent in other analogous situations.
Best damn rebuttal I have seen on this board.
I will now quote Masoli v. NCAA in future arguments.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:30 am to jacks40
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Since we are talking NCAA punishments I'm guessing he means normal NCAA methods.
Normal NCAA methods for handing down punishments werent violated either. PSU, instead of fighting, agreed to the terms laid out by the NCAA.
still a fail.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:30 am to 10888bge
Not sure if serious? Did you miss the point?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:30 am to jacks40
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Yep, and the ironic thing is the people actually responsible for the coverup have yet to be charged and convicted but now public pressure will fade away bc a meaningless statue is gone and the football team got a 4 year bowl ban.
I'm thinking they will be charged with negligence in re: to mandated reporting (to proper authorities) of child sexual abuse allegations.
ETA: I do not believe for one millisecond that they actually believed it was a "misunderstanding" or that they were "horsing around". That's pure horseshite!
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 9:37 am
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:31 am to WDE24
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My sole worry is the precedent set for the NCAA to get involved in these matters and how and when they will decide to act like this again in the future.
Let's see...
The NCAA has never acted like this in the past, and I don't believe they will act like this in the future, unless there is another situation as gregarious as this one. People worrying about the NCAA putting their foot down on every moral problem going forward are misguided IMO.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:31 am to OneMoreTime
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Penn st allowed Emmert to hand out the penalties like this. They also signed off on the penalties he came up with.
This whole thing is FAR from over. The criminal proceedings in regards to individuals will be very enlightening as to the depth of the cover-up, not only within Penn State but also with local, state, and federal officials associated with Second Mile and the University. There are Cleary Act issues, financial fraud issues, both of which lead to accreditation concerns.
I have said repeatedly the University did not want to get into a situation where the NCAA could subpoena various people within the Athletic Department. Spainer and Curley are going to be in jail for a long, long, time.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:32 am to Zamoro10
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Penn State allowed, Penn State allowed, Penn State allowed!
Please, retard.
They had too. This is so politically and the public bloodlust...its the duty of the organization to protect your procedural rights and use properly identified channels and agreed upon rules in overseeing athletics.
No one can see the big picture but a few in this thread. The rest of you are quite myopic full of schadenfreude.
They didn't have to. They did so in order to move on from this and not drag it out. If they would've refused and caused the NCAA to perform their own investigation, they most likely would've ended up with the same penalties while having this drag out for months, maybe years, longer. It would've made no sense for them to do that.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:33 am to OneMoreTime
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I saw somewhere that it was going to be paid $12M/year for 5 years.
The total is $60M (about one year revenue) but will be paid @ $12M/year for five years.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:33 am to slackster
quote:I think you were looking for "egregious" here.
nless there is another situation as gregarious as this one
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:34 am to Icceytiger
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'm gonna hey hammered for this.... But how does punishing the current players make up for what happen?
May I rephrase the question? How would the NCAA punish the past players?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:34 am to LSUzealot
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25 to 15 scholarship reduction. Man that shite is fricking weak.
1) is this the correct interpretation?
2) if so, they can only sign 60 guys over the next 4 yrs while the rest of us sign 100 guys. 15 per yr for sure won't take care of graduation, injuries and other attrition. they will be frigged.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:34 am to volfan30
so does LSU now claim another 10-win season in 2009 ?
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:35 am to slackster
quote:May I redirect your rephrasing? Why would the players be punished at all?
May I rephrase the question? How would the NCAA punish the past players?
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