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re: Bob Costas just called for death penalty at PSU
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:03 am to lsuroadie
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:03 am to lsuroadie
i'm a little torn on this. i really havent followed whats been happening with regard to the school but i agree everyone related to the event should be removed from the school and punished accordingly. i do not believe however that the students/players should be punished for the failings of their leaders. death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
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Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:09 am to Fearthehat0307
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everyone related to the event should be removed from the school and punished accordingly. i do not believe however that the students/players should be punished for the failings of their leaders. death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
I agree with this. Let the players play this season, but be allowed to transfer to any school as soon as the season is over with no penalty. Give them all a chance to move forward. Both of the monsters in this case will never hurt a child again. One is in prison and the other is rotting in hell.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:31 am to Fearthehat0307
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death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
Not necessarily. I'd say let them play this season without the chance of a bowl game, disband the sport for at least 3 years after that, and then let the seniors, juniors, and sophomores transfer without penalty and be able to play immediately. frick the freshmen though since they knew what they were getting into.
Posted on 7/15/12 at 11:32 am to Fearthehat0307
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i do not believe however that the students/players should be punished for the failings of their leaders. death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
I'm still not sure whether the Death Penalty should be implemented or not (it was not a competitive advantage, but it was also a clear lack of institutional control, the worst of which we've probably ever seen), but this line of thinking is stupid. Take away OSU's bowl ban this year, give USC back their scholarships, let UConn go to the NCAA Tournament this year, none of these players had anything to do with it... you have to lay down some punishment when teams/schools violate the rules, even if it's not "100% fair" to the current players, so the message is well-understood (not just by that school, but by others) that this kind of crap won't be tolerated. I'm sure if the Death Penalty was given, the players would be able to transfer without penalty.
This post was edited on 7/15/12 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/15/12 at 12:43 pm to Fearthehat0307
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i do not believe however that the students/players should be punished for the failings of their leaders. death penalty would effectively screw over all the current players on this team because of something they had zero involvement of
I've heard this argument a lot, and I do have sympathy for it, but I've decided it is not convincing. To get slightly political, we have a Supreme Court that has declared corporations and non-profits to be people, entitled to 1st Amendment rights and 14th Amendment protections. I'm not entirely sure what entity a university is, but I'm thinking it is akin to a state non-profit, which has to be an "individual" for jurisdictional purposes.
Anyway, if this is true, then an organization cannot be granted all these rights and protections and then as soon as it is caught in wrong doing, throw up its hands and say, "punish the inviduals, but not us!"
The university should be punished, and if that means that individuals who benefit from this organization are also going to be harmed. That is the nature of punishing organizations. If they are to avoid punishment for wrong doing on the grounds that persons may be harmed, then we could NEVER punish organizations of any kind. I just can't believe that.
Allow players and students to transfer without penalty, but if the organization should be punished, it cannot hide in the skirts of the employees who have benefited from its existence.
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