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PFT, suspensions could be thrown out on technicality error by NFL
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:45 pm to BTRDD
That should be the outcome. Rules are rules, Goodell.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:59 pm to BTRDD
I was really wondering about this.
I mean, I had read before that each side HAD to give up its evidence 72 hours before the appeal started, which would be Friday some time.
The NFL did send some evidence, but it was flimsy and mostly recycled.
Their better evidence didn't appear until the afternoon of the appeals.
I was curious why no one thought that was strange.
So, who punishes the NFL for breaking the rules of the CBA?
Is it Goodell?
I mean, I had read before that each side HAD to give up its evidence 72 hours before the appeal started, which would be Friday some time.
The NFL did send some evidence, but it was flimsy and mostly recycled.
Their better evidence didn't appear until the afternoon of the appeals.
I was curious why no one thought that was strange.
So, who punishes the NFL for breaking the rules of the CBA?
Is it Goodell?
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:25 pm to BTRDD
As a federal agent who was first a union steward and now a manager, I can tell you that if you violate the CBA, you're screwed. I've dealt with CBAs from both sides of the fence. I haven't read the particulars in this instance, but I can tell you that if it's clear cut and the 72 hours turns out to be 72 hours and 5 minutes, the NFL is in serious jeopardy. You have to be a stickler here. After all, if you allow the NFL to go 77 hours instead of 72 hours, what happens when the NFL violates the 72 hour rule again? They'll be able to say, "Well, we did it before and it was fine."
There are vague articles in any CBA such as, "both labor and management will promote health and safety" that are left to wide interpretation. Then there are hard and fast deadlines that have no wiggle room. They are what they are and can't be interpreted or reasoned around.
In addition, when handling evidence and preparing discovery for the defense, I have exactly 10 calendar days to push it out. Not 11 days, not 10 days, 2 hours. If I don't get a waiver from a judge, my case is thrown out. Call it a technicality, call it whatever. But if Goodell violated the rules, any arbitrator in the country will rule in favor for the players in less time than it takes to finish his chocolate doughnut.
There are vague articles in any CBA such as, "both labor and management will promote health and safety" that are left to wide interpretation. Then there are hard and fast deadlines that have no wiggle room. They are what they are and can't be interpreted or reasoned around.
In addition, when handling evidence and preparing discovery for the defense, I have exactly 10 calendar days to push it out. Not 11 days, not 10 days, 2 hours. If I don't get a waiver from a judge, my case is thrown out. Call it a technicality, call it whatever. But if Goodell violated the rules, any arbitrator in the country will rule in favor for the players in less time than it takes to finish his chocolate doughnut.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 11:30 pm to BTRDD
god i hope this leads to the downfall of goodell
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:28 am to BTRDD
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suspensions could be thrown out on technicality
I wonder if that's the plan. Goodell is either a crazy, arrogant megalomaniac, in which case the owners would be stepping in and doing damage control, or he has an exit strategy.
If he lets this play out and he has no true evidence then he looks bad and it emboldens the union to fight him.
If the players get off on a technicality his culture change shock and awe message was still sent, the players are relieved and move on rather than seeing Vilma as a martyr that unifies the players against Goodell, and the NFL gets to say "we tried to push player safety but he players union fought against us on the issue."
I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but that actually seems like a better exit strategy than letting this play out in court or settling in a way that makes Goodell look weak like having some one else decide the player punishment.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 7:46 am to BTRDD
What about the final couple of paragraphs, that could be a way for the NFL to get out of that?
I also wonder if that is why Vilma left after the break and didn't come back for the afternoon session? Unless I'm reading at wrong, if the info was given at 1:30 on June 15th and the interview was at 10am on June 18th, if Vilma simply leaves after an hour, can he say he showed up at the correct time, which was less than 72 hours before?
This whole thing is just fascinating to me. All of it.
I also wonder if that is why Vilma left after the break and didn't come back for the afternoon session? Unless I'm reading at wrong, if the info was given at 1:30 on June 15th and the interview was at 10am on June 18th, if Vilma simply leaves after an hour, can he say he showed up at the correct time, which was less than 72 hours before?
This whole thing is just fascinating to me. All of it.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:00 am to BTRDD
Florio gets a lot of shite on this site (just like David Stern got on Hornets boards WHILE HE WAS SAVING OUR FRANCHISE). Maybe we should appreciate that he has the stones to be the only prominent media member who is holding Gooddell and the NFL accountable.
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