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Posted on 4/20/12 at 12:21 pm to GABlueDog
Well it seems the way because this is the first time I have seen this brought up. So we don't get Barrett. There are plenty other options out there and I like a lot of them more then barrett
Posted on 4/20/12 at 12:44 pm to david13
We're not getting Bateman so he may as well be taken off the board. We gave our big pitch and he liked other schools better. It happens. Bama,UF or west coast. Auburn takes Rettig.
So that leaves Ferguson and Mitch as true pro styles. I like Ferguson's talent more but Mitch's demeanor. We're not the favorite of either but things could shake down to where we move up.
Then we have the dual threat in Sandberg who we could probably get if we pushed but will we wait too long and is he who we want?
Then the what i call combo QBs. Not true dual threats nor true pro style guys but shade towards pro style with running abilities. These guys are Johnson(anyone but him for me),Kincaide and Thomas (baseball). Thomas is the best talent but MLB lurks. Johnson is too much like JJ for me. Want no part of that. Kincaide is the best option. Height for college qbs is overrated. We're not talking NFL here w're talking college. Perhaps the best college qb of the last decade is 5'11 and that's Kellen Moore. If a guy can be accurate and smart then he can play college qb. Kincaide isn't a statue so he can be rolled to allow him to get a better view over the line.
At this point with the plan to take 2 i say Kincaide and any one of Thomas(can risk it if we have Kincaide), Mitch or Ferguson would be the best bet.
Don't agree with any of them aside from maybe Bateman being better than Barrett. Barrett is ranked ahead of all them for a reason. He's better. The difference is huge so it's not like we can't do fine with a couple of the others and be happy to land them but Barrett encompasses all that we're looking for in a qb with better physical skills than most of the others. He's the more complete package of all them. Big miss.
So that leaves Ferguson and Mitch as true pro styles. I like Ferguson's talent more but Mitch's demeanor. We're not the favorite of either but things could shake down to where we move up.
Then we have the dual threat in Sandberg who we could probably get if we pushed but will we wait too long and is he who we want?
Then the what i call combo QBs. Not true dual threats nor true pro style guys but shade towards pro style with running abilities. These guys are Johnson(anyone but him for me),Kincaide and Thomas (baseball). Thomas is the best talent but MLB lurks. Johnson is too much like JJ for me. Want no part of that. Kincaide is the best option. Height for college qbs is overrated. We're not talking NFL here w're talking college. Perhaps the best college qb of the last decade is 5'11 and that's Kellen Moore. If a guy can be accurate and smart then he can play college qb. Kincaide isn't a statue so he can be rolled to allow him to get a better view over the line.
At this point with the plan to take 2 i say Kincaide and any one of Thomas(can risk it if we have Kincaide), Mitch or Ferguson would be the best bet.
Don't agree with any of them aside from maybe Bateman being better than Barrett. Barrett is ranked ahead of all them for a reason. He's better. The difference is huge so it's not like we can't do fine with a couple of the others and be happy to land them but Barrett encompasses all that we're looking for in a qb with better physical skills than most of the others. He's the more complete package of all them. Big miss.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 12:44 pm to david13
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Ok I am tired of all the complaining about these 2. Does anyone remember that Matt Flynn and Jamarcus Russell both played under miles and did very well in the system. Has anyone considered that JJ and Lee were both huge busts at qb. Both were highly rated and both had a ton of offers it was just our bad luck to sign 2 qb's who couldn't handle the pressure in the SEC. Does anyone recall the Ryan perillioux debacle. We were forced to play 2 kids who weren't ready for 2 straight years and the pressure cracked them. Miles has been forced to run the ball because of the deficiency at qb. I think it's awesome that les figured out how to mask our giant hole at that position for 4 years and still win games so give coach miles a break Til you see what he has been wanting to do the last 4 years but has been unable. Also as far as us not being able to land top guys does anyone remember keil being committed to us until mom convinced him to stay home. He was one of the top 2 qb's in the country. Jamarcus, perillioux, Flynn, even JJ and lee were highly sought after not to mention Randall and rivers who are both gonna bs good and mett and there are a lot of qb still interested in us so please stop with the no qb wants to come here argument we have heard enough
The idea that no QB wants to come here is overstated. But to think that the way Les handled the QB situation in '11 is a non-issue is also overstated (IMO).
If you're gonna bring JaMarcus and Flynn in view, remember that we didn't start using JaMarcus to his full potential until we already had two losses in '06. And in hindsight, one could reason that MF was a better QB than JR. BTW, I don't agree with this but at this juncture it looks that way to someone not fully informed (based on the fact that one is out of the NFL and the other just signed a huge contract).
Three points:
1) I don't think JJ was that highly recruited. He was a 3* until he committed to us and then he was bumped to a 4*.
2) If you're a pro-style QB, wouldn't the way JL was treated in '10 and '11 at least raise some red flags? Apparently, it didn't matter to Kiel since as you've noted he saw it all unfold and was committed to us for a while (until his chest shrunk).
3) Point being Les has some QB baggage now and he really needs Mett to untether it from him.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:06 pm to AlwysATgr
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If you're gonna bring JaMarcus and Flynn in view, remember that we didn't start using JaMarcus to his full potential until we already had two losses in '06. And in hindsight, one could reason that MF was a better QB than JR. BTW, I don't agree with this but at this juncture it looks that way to someone not fully informed (based on the fact that one is out of the NFL and the other just signed a huge contract).
I will start my response here. First I believe that Jamarcus was a better qb in college then Flynn because in college you can get by on raw talent unlike the NFL. Once Jamarcus wasn't the biggest strongest kid on the block his lack of work ethic really shown through and Flynn has developed nicely in the NFL however remember Jamarcus went to the highly disfunctional raiders and I have heard people say he wouldn't have been picked in the first round otherwise. Flynn went to the packers and played behind Rodgers with excellent coaching and a better system so it isn't that odd that Flynn turned out the way he did also I would like to point out that Flynn got his contract based on one game and that doesn't make him good yet we still have to see on that one. His contract wasn't that big either very modest contract actually and if that one was the bst on the table there wasn't a huge demand for his services not to mention there is talk of the Seahawks taking tannahill if he falls to them so let's not sing the Matt Flynn praises just yet
Next I don't think les is carrying any qb baggage judging from who has been interested the last 2 years. We are over blowing what happened to Jared lee it's like no one realized he was just as bad as JJ maybe worse. I will stand by all the qb decisions les has made since he has been here cause I can see why he made all of them and he brought in Krags. Maybe the best qb move we have made in his tenure cause this guy knows qb's.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:22 pm to lsufanva
Kincade is an interesting prospect and I will be looking to see if he gets an offer. However, Les likes big QBs. I just think there is an uphill battle for Les to offer a guy who is 6'0" and 175 lbs.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:26 pm to GABlueDog
Randall is listed on the LSU site as 6'1" 180 so I don't know why Kincade isn't getting an offer
Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:27 pm to david13
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david13
I agree with your 1st paragrpah completely. But I'm not sure the QB prospects are as informed on this as you are. Hope they are.
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who has been interested the last 2 years
The JL/JJ thing didn't come to full fruition until the latter part of this season.
As you mentioned in your earlier post both JL/JJ were forced to play before either was really ready. That said, JL (at least stats wise) was doing well and was abruptly put out to pasture. I wouldn't and I don't think QB prospects will overlook this.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 1:29 pm to GeauxAggie972
Well, Randall was not exactly high on our board and landed at LSU under unusual circumstances. Moreover, I'm not sure he ever plays QB.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 8:43 pm to wallowinit
its early, we'll flip him if we want him
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:00 am to bandit4695
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its early, we'll flip him if we want him
Nah, as soon as Meyer got involved it was over. Meyer recruited WR David Nelson to UF, and Nelson has been helping Barret out through the recruiting process. Barret was highly impressed with LSU though.
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