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re: Alleva's method of hiring
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:21 am to RummelTiger
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:21 am to RummelTiger
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Alleva didn't hire Mainieri. Mainieri came the year before Alleva got here.
Alleva did not hire Mainieri. I thought Skip brought him from ND?
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Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:22 am to PHXTigers
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Alleva did not hire Mainieri. I thought Skip brought him from ND?
Yes, that has been addressed.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:23 am to northlatigazz
So you think all of these coaching hires came in with the attitude of "Screw it, I'll see what LSU is about but I don't give a crap about the university or state"? All coaches have a passion for winning. If you are going to eliminate potential coaches who don't have an innate love for LSU, then you have very few viable candidates.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:28 am to EarthwormJim
So those who think every Alleva hire has been great, answer these questions. Why do coaches succeed at one school and fail at another? How responsibile is the A.D. for the success the coaches they hire?
Apprently, if ESPN likes the hire then the AD is in the clear.
Apprently, if ESPN likes the hire then the AD is in the clear.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:33 am to northlatigazz
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So those who think every Alleva hire has been great, answer these questions. Why do coaches succeed at one school and fail at another? How responsibile is the A.D. for the success the coaches they hire?
Apprently, if ESPN likes the hire then the AD is in the clear
So every successful coach is born with a passion for the university and state?
This whole discussion is dumb anyway because you have no idea about Alleva's interview/hiring process nor the coaches' he hires mindsets.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:35 am to northlatigazz
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Why do coaches succeed at one school and fail at another?
There are a multitude of reasons as to why that could occur.
Timing, the school itself, support from the community and the school, the coach, etc.
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How responsibile is the A.D. for the success the coaches they hire?
Depends. Johnson was a solid hire - everyone said so at the time. He had been successful at Stanford, and was coveted by many other schools. But, it didn't work out.
I'll say this - if he hires Jones, and THAT doesn't work out, then he will get FAR more shite about that hire, than Johnson's hire.
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Apprently, if ESPN likes the hire then the AD is in the clear.
Well, your first mistake is giving two-shits about what ESPN thinks...
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:39 am to EarthwormJim
quote]So every successful coach is born with a passion for the university and state? [/quote]
You still haven't answered my question. Why did Trent succeed at Stanford and fail at LSU?
To answer your question. No they don't have to have a passion for the university or state. But they better fake it if they don't. And you should be able to determine that in the hiring process.
You still haven't answered my question. Why did Trent succeed at Stanford and fail at LSU?
To answer your question. No they don't have to have a passion for the university or state. But they better fake it if they don't. And you should be able to determine that in the hiring process.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:40 am to northlatigazz
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Why did Trent succeed at Stanford and fail at LSU?
The short answer:
Trent failed at recruiting.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:44 am to RummelTiger
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Trent failed at recruiting
So why did he succeed in recruiting at Stanford? Did he lose his recruiting skills?
Sounds to me like he couldn't sell himself to the coaches or players in THIS state.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 10:48 am to northlatigazz
Jesus H...
That still has NOTHING to do with Alleva hiring him in the first place, and you proved my point. Your hindsight is 15/20.
Even by YOUR account, Johnson was a successful recruiter, he had also had a couple of Final Four appearances, and had built a solid program - both athletically and academically.
At that time...how was Johnson a bad hire?
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So why did he succeed in recruiting at Stanford? Did he lose his recruiting skills?
Sounds to me like he couldn't sell himself to the coaches or players in THIS state.
That still has NOTHING to do with Alleva hiring him in the first place, and you proved my point. Your hindsight is 15/20.
Even by YOUR account, Johnson was a successful recruiter, he had also had a couple of Final Four appearances, and had built a solid program - both athletically and academically.
At that time...how was Johnson a bad hire?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:37 am to Mickey Goldmill
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All three were good hires when they were made.
"When they were made"? Within the last week or so, you were claiming that Trent Johnson was still a good hire. Why now was it only a good hire when it was made? You changing your mind about TJ?
By the way, this is the second time in two threads I've asked you this question, but still no answer...hmm.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:39 am to RummelTiger
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Out of nowhere? Johnson was one of the most sought after coaches in the NCAA at that time!
Don't go overboard. He was considered a good, solid hire, but certainly not some blockbuster coup.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:42 am to Nuts4LSU
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Don't go overboard. He was considered a good, solid hire, but certainly not some blockbuster coup.
Then don't go overboard with what I said.
Never said it was on par with stealing the likes of Calipari away, but he was highly sought after.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 11:43 am to lsu4life77
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If Alleva can hire JJ for less than what we paid TJ, thats a homerun right there. If not anything else, JJ can definitely maintain the status quo for LSU basketball, a finish in the middle of SEC and an occasional postseason run. Not to mention there is money in the lSU coffers for other useful things.
If you aren't Joe Dean posting under a pseudonym, you might as well be. The mentality that mediocrity is fine and saving a few hundred grand on a coach is well worth giving up the potential millions in revenue that success would bring is patented Joe Dean. It's 12:42 p.m. Eastern time...you drunk yet?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:03 pm to Nuts4LSU
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"When they were made"? Within the last week or so, you were claiming that Trent Johnson was still a good hire. Why now was it only a good hire when it was made? You changing your mind about TJ?
By the way, this is the second time in two threads I've asked you this question, but still no answer...hmm.
Sorry I don't live on here buddy. My mind has not changed at all about TJ. Still think he would have eventually turned the program around. We would not even be having this discussion had Hamilton not left.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:09 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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We would not even be having this discussion had Hamilton not left.
Uh...say what?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:11 pm to RummelTiger
Johnson would not have left had Hamilton decided to stay, IMO.
After Hamilton left, our chances of making the NCAA's next year pretty much vanished...along with Trent Johnson's chances of surviving here. He knew that.
After Hamilton left, our chances of making the NCAA's next year pretty much vanished...along with Trent Johnson's chances of surviving here. He knew that.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:14 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Johnson would not have left had Hamilton decided to stay, IMO.
So Hamilton...HAMILTON was the lynchpin?
That's pretty sad...
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:16 pm to northlatigazz
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So why did he succeed in recruiting at Stanford?
I think his success at Stanford was because of the Lopez(sp??) twins plain and simple.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:16 pm to RummelTiger
Not really dude...Losing our starting center who is our leading scorer and rebounder for a team who was already going to be extremely thin at the post is kind of a big deal.
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