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Luck vs. Griffin; Round 253

Posted on 3/24/12 at 7:45 pm
Posted by LSUlunatic
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Posted on 3/24/12 at 7:45 pm
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“Luck was not a special passer based on film study,” wrote Cosell. “He is not the same kind of arm talent as Matthew Stafford or Cam Newton. … Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm, short to intermediate passer.”

Cosell did credit Luck for his masterful ability to call plays and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, calling it an “essential attribute as [Luck] transitions to the NFL.”

Based strictly on game tape, however, RG3 was the more remarkable quarterback.

“What immediately jumped out was his arm strength,” Cosell wrote. “… Griffin, for a power thrower, was consistently accurate. The better term for accuracy is ball location. That’s what allows receivers to run after the catch. Griffin excelled in that area.”

Cosell went on to praise Griffin’s “composure in the pocket” as better than Luck’s, as well as RG3's ability to throw from different arm angles while maintaining consistent accuracy. Cosell suggested that Griffin, despite playing in Baylor’s spread scheme, was less of a system quarterback than Luck, who was “managed and manipulated by his offense.”
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
154109 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 7:49 pm to
frick that

Take Leaf
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:17 pm to
Greg Cosell, 2007:

“Oh, man, can [he] flick it. Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he’s on the move. If you think [he] is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there’s Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer— you have to take him. I don’t know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me. This kid is a special passer, and he’s got a complete inventory of throws. He’s got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn’t always have to be perfectly set and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area.”

Cosell was commenting on one JaMarcus Russell, the biggest bust in NFL history.

Don't know what the hell film this guy watched, but half of what he said was complete bullshite since JR didn't display that shite in college....no vision, no pocket presence, no intuition.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:19 pm to
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Don't know what the hell film this guy watched, but half of what he said was complete bullshite since JR didn't display that shite in college....no vision, no pocket presence, no intuition.


Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
40717 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:19 pm to
Give me rg3 all day. It literally makes my my ears bleed listening to kipper talk about luck. Hes just talking but you can tell he's got a boner. Not that I have any problem with luck being the top prospect it's just kipper is the biggest joke of a scout all time. Mcshay says luck is the best prospect he's seen since elway. Todd mcshay was six years old when elway got drafted.
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:23 pm to
Stay confused. JR was overrated. He proved it in the NFL w/ no vision, pocket presence, or intuition. Pretty freaking obvious, champ.

Now, back to topic.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:24 pm to
I thought this was LOVE vs. Griffin at first, and I was like :beatdeadhorse:
Posted by snake23
NOLA/BR
Member since Dec 2011
4438 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:25 pm to
they're both gonna be very good, possibly even great, players but ill take RG3
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:26 pm to
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Don't know what the hell film this guy watched, but half of what he said was complete bull shite since JR didn't display that shite in college....no vision, no pocket presence, no intuition.


Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:28 pm to
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JR was overrated.


He didn't fail because of any of the issues you mentioned. He failed because he got fat and lazy.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38563 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:34 pm to
yeah, Luck has no downfield arm strength

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Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:40 pm to
Yeah and I wouldn't describe Griffin as a power thrower either.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
9528 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:48 pm to
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.no vision, no pocket presence, no intuition.


JR has all of these, but he didn't have a work ethic to study film or learn the playbook inside and out.
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 8:52 pm to
No, JR lacked NFL level vision, pocket presence, intuition and of course his worst trait zero work ethic.

He rarely anticipated throws, threw guys open, didn't manipulate the pocket, rarely felt pressure, etc. He was below average in all these areas, not NFL ready/good at any as describe by Cosell.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
35562 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:01 pm to
I'll admit, I haven't watched that much of Luck, but I've been impressed every time I've seen RG3. Even in interviews he seems like a guy with a good work ethic and understanding of the game.
Posted by Louie T
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2006
36591 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:24 pm to
Do not get into a Jamarcus debate with that imbecile Dan
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
55628 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:25 pm to
DP40, do you like any black QBs?
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Don't know what the hell film this guy watched, but half of what he said was complete bullshite since JR didn't display that shite in college....no vision, no pocket presence, no intuition.


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DP40

unfortunately, sure if serious.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19227 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:34 pm to
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I thought this was LOVE vs. Griffin at first


lol me too
Posted by DP40
Swamps and creeks
Member since Nov 2008
9907 posts
Posted on 3/24/12 at 9:37 pm to
Cosell was serious and seriously wrong! You too. Among others here.
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