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re: LSU Running Spread in 2012?
Posted on 2/7/12 at 3:29 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 2/7/12 at 3:29 pm to OBUDan
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Late adopter?
I bet your Nokia 320s is better than my iPhone too, huh?
How'd the spread offenses do against us this year? How is Saban so successful without it? Guess we're just late adopters huh? Good ol' smash mouth football trumps that crap any day, unless you've got a superman like Tebow or Newton.
This post was edited on 2/7/12 at 3:32 pm
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Posted on 2/7/12 at 3:35 pm to Thunder Tiger
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How'd the spread offenses do against us this year?
WVU put up the most points/yards of any team we faced all year.
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How is Saban so successful without it?
Because there are multiple recipes for success in football.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 3:44 pm to OBUDan
WVU LOST. HANDILY. Running around in the middle of the field got them nothing in the end.
Regarding Saban I thought anything other than the spread made you a "late adopter." Now you're saying it's just as good to use tradition football? Nice backpedal.
Regarding Saban I thought anything other than the spread made you a "late adopter." Now you're saying it's just as good to use tradition football? Nice backpedal.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 3:53 pm to Thunder Tiger
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WVU LOST. HANDILY.
Agreed, but they still scored the most points and had the most yards on our defense of anyone this year.
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Regarding Saban I thought anything other than the spread made you a "late adopter."
I was more poking fun at you saying the spread is "nothing but chaos."
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Now you're saying it's just as good to use tradition football? Nice backpedal.
I'm not backpedaling.
You are saying people don't win anything with the spread. That's not true. Both teams in the MNC last year ran it. 2 of the BCS winners this year ran it.
It's not just "chaos." It's a bonafide, proven offensive strategy. Teams like Oklahoma, Texas, UF, Auburn have all won MNCs running spread offenses. More and more NFL teams are starting to utilize it as well (like the team that just played in the SB).
Posted on 2/7/12 at 4:35 pm to OBUDan
I think a few people on this board are confused about what a spread offense is. If you want a good example look at the New Orleans Saints (I realize no college team can ever be that good but humor me). It's all about creating matchup problems for a deffense. You need athletic backs with good hands (Blue and Shep out of the back feild), strong backs to mix in the run (Hillard, Ware, Ford), an arse load of speed at WR, and some solid blocking/receiving TEs (this one is questionable for LSU). You can run a "spread" offense and still play power football. Spread offense really just means you have spread formations in your playbook (for LSU at least). It's not slinging the ball all over the place (I realize the saints do this but they also have Drew Brees). It's about taking what the deffense gives you. I would assume the coaching staff believes that Mett is smart enough and has the accuracy to do this. And if so, our offense could finally at least be in the same neighborhood as our deffense.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 4:39 pm to ibleedprplngld
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I think a few people on this board are confused about what a spread offense is.
Most people don't really know what it is
Posted on 2/7/12 at 4:52 pm to OBUDan
For those who keep reffering to a "power-I", LSU may have ran 5 plays out of the power-I last year. I'm pretty sure they ran 0.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 5:05 pm to Pinchdatail
Les run the spead, are you fricking nuts 
Posted on 2/7/12 at 5:08 pm to Pinchdatail
Yes, it's true. Gary Croton is returning and we're running the spread but only to the short side of the field. And Lou Tepper is coming back to run the defense. And Cholly Mac is returning also. Throw in the original Mike The Tiger too.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 5:16 pm to km
Brick told that kid they were gonna spread the ball around in the passing game, and he goes and says we're gonna be a spread offense. TD further extrapolates to we're running Air Raid. hilarity (power I, I hate the spread, spread or spread option?, if Mett gets hurt..., short side option!) ensues.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 5:21 pm to OBUDan
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Agreed, but they still scored the most points and had the most yards on our defense of anyone this year.
Actually Oregon scored more, but that was another spread offense that got drummed by us.
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I was more poking fun at you saying the spread is "nothing but chaos."
OK, chaos may be too strong of a word.
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You are saying people don't win anything with the spread.
I never said that.
Look, ever since Urban Meyer came into the SEC I heard about how great the spread was. But when he got up against the big boys he was brought to tears losing to us in Tiger Stadium (I think it was 05) and had to change his system to adapt to us, not the other way around.
All we heard about Oregon this year was the speed, the tempo, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chip Kelly whispered like a little girl and admitted he was not in our league after we dominated them.
The spread strikes me as a system that most people try to use when they don't have the talent to straight up ram it down an opponent's throat. And most of the time that strategy loses when the other team does have the old school defensive talent to handle it.
Can it work and win 'ships? Of course. But as I said you almost always need a superman (and I'll add Vince Young to that list) to consistently win against talented non-spread teams (and I'll point out that the UO-AU 'ship matched two spread teams). Is it a coincidence that after Tebow and Cam left their programs took nosedives?
Traditional schemes are not so subject to feasts or famines no matter who we play. We can hang with the spread or traditional schemes very, very successfully as we did this year. If all this makes me a late adopter so be it.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 7:06 pm to ATLTiger
Agreed, he was likely told "were gonna spread it around" and ran with it.
Posted on 2/7/12 at 7:34 pm to stapuffmarshy
I don't think it's a bad idea... Blue would would good in the spread too.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 8:18 am to Bedrock
THE SPREAD IS NOT THE SPREAD OPTION!
Oregon = Spread Option
WVU = Spread Option
Florida (Tebow) = Spread Option
Auburn = Spread Option
Learn what a spread offense is PLEASE before you make comments about it. Too many of you seem to be confusing the Spread Option with the Spread Offense.
Oregon = Spread Option
WVU = Spread Option
Florida (Tebow) = Spread Option
Auburn = Spread Option
Learn what a spread offense is PLEASE before you make comments about it. Too many of you seem to be confusing the Spread Option with the Spread Offense.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 10:31 am to ibleedprplngld
quote:not under Holgerson. That's as legitimate of an air raid offense as you'll find.
WVU = Spread Option
In fact, Geno Smith recorded a whopping -32 yards on 56 carries.
This post was edited on 2/8/12 at 10:33 am
Posted on 2/8/12 at 10:34 am to ibleedprplngld
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WVU = Spread Option
Fail
Posted on 2/8/12 at 10:45 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:I was just about to post those stats.
In fact, Geno Smith recorded a whopping -32 yards on 56 carries.
WV did not run a spread option at all.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 10:47 am to just me
Yea, WVU hasn't run it since Rich Rod left.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:17 am to Thunder Tiger
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Can it work and win 'ships? Of course. But as I said you almost always need a superman (and I'll add Vince Young to that list) to consistently win against talented non-spread teams (and I'll point out that the UO-AU 'ship matched two spread teams). Is it a coincidence that after Tebow and Cam left their programs took nosedives?
Well, you referenced two spread-option teams. Oklahoma ran Mike Leach's spread (under Mark Mangino, who is also a spread offense guy), to win the MNC in 2000. Heupel contended for the Heisman that year. I wouldn't call him a "superman."
We have run some aspects of the spread since hiring Gary Crowton, including last year.
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Traditional schemes are not so subject to feasts or famines no matter who we play. We can hang with the spread or traditional schemes very, very successfully as we did this year. If all this makes me a late adopter so be it.
We all have our preferences. It takes talent to win at the highest levels.
UGA has a pro-style offense and hasn't reached that level. And they recruit well, too.
If a spread system is something you run when you lack talent (in your estimation) and the results are proven positive, wouldn't they only increase if you had talent?
I still think LSU will remain multiple. We'll run our fair share of I formation, 2 TE sets and we'll probably run 4-wide stuff as well. It seems to be what Les prefers.
Posted on 2/8/12 at 11:33 am to OBUDan
I just wish we would decided on ONE strategy and RUN IT.
It's almost like trying to do too many things and only being average at all of them, instead of doing one thing and being very good at it. I want us to just play to our strengths, use all of the talent we have, and be CONSISTENT.
It's almost like trying to do too many things and only being average at all of them, instead of doing one thing and being very good at it. I want us to just play to our strengths, use all of the talent we have, and be CONSISTENT.
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