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Question for the lawyers and CPAs (property to an LLC)

Posted on 1/26/12 at 10:44 am
Posted by Captain Want
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 10:44 am
If I was going to put a piece of property I own into a single member LLC, would I need to donate it or have a "sale" of the property to the LLC? Looking for liability protection and I want to figure out the best way to handle it tax-wise.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 11:06 am to
Contribution of property to a single-member LLC should be a non-taxable event. Unless you owe more than the property is worth, you have no gain recognition issues, and the basis for the property in the LLC is the same as your basis. The only issue for such a transfer is generally with the lender who might not agree to having the property retitled in the name of the LLC. You can usually work around this by personally guaranteeing the loan as the lenders understand the liability protection benefits of LLC ownership.
Posted by Captain Want
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 11:17 am to
Thanks. So a donation would work? There is no lender involved.
Posted by Ash Williams
South of i-10
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 11:28 am to
yea you can donate it

just have to make sure the donation is done by authentic act

(notary, 2 witnesses, etc...)
Posted by Captain Want
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 11:32 am to
Thanks a lot guys
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 11:34 am to
quote:

So a donation would work?


I believe a donation could have tax consequences. You want to do a 'contribution.' I assume you are going to have a title attorney handle this and he will (or should) know what you need. If he doesn't you may want to walk, not run, to another title company.
Posted by Captain Want
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 11:42 am to
Yep, will do. But I know there are posters who could provide good information before going that route.thanks all. And if anyone else wants to chime in, please do.
Posted by Spock
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 2:34 pm to
You cant just "donate" it if you want it to be a tax free transaction. You would need to "contribute" it and recieve an interest in the LLC in order to stay tax free. Jump in if I'm wrong Poodle.
Posted by simonizer
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 4:00 pm to
i was under the impression that the contribution of property to a single member LLC has no tax consequences since the LLC is taxed as a disregarded entity that is not seperate from its owner.

i don't quite understand what poodle is saying about a situation in which you owe more than what the property is worth. i understand that there would be a tax issue in this case if the LLC was not taxed as a disregarded entity.

This post was edited on 1/26/12 at 4:16 pm
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 4:10 pm to
I think people are considering a donation = a contribution. A donation is something different entirely and has tax ramifications. A contribution to the LLC would likely be a non-taxable event.
Posted by BrandNew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 8:43 pm to
Simonizer is right here. There's a lot of fail in this thread, much like the ORRI thread. Sadly, some of these posters practice law
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:00 pm to
If you are talking about me point out my incorrect statement in either thread. Thx.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:03 pm to
A single-member LLC can elect to be treated as a corporation for tax purposes, and then make another election to be an S corporation. If so, then there could be unintended tax consrquences, such as built-in gains tax potential. (This is more common for personal service businesses, but it wouldn't make much sense for the OP).
Posted by simonizer
no
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:38 pm to
how would donating something to myself be a taxable event?
Posted by simonizer
no
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:42 pm to
but BIG tax would only be on the appreciation from the time he elected C status until the time he elected S status.

i'm just trying to figure out what you meant in your original post about there being an issue with contributing property that is mortgaged for more than its FMV to a single owner llc.
Posted by rmc
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Posted on 1/26/12 at 9:51 pm to
Just because you utilize pass-through taxation with the LLC doesn't meant you are the same as the LLC. I wouldn't want to walk into tax court and try to make the argument that a donation is the same as a contribution.
Posted by simonizer
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Member since Oct 2008
1697 posts
Posted on 1/26/12 at 10:16 pm to
tax court would say that the single member llc is indistinguishable from its owner.

it is their rule.
This post was edited on 1/26/12 at 10:20 pm
Posted by rmc
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27250 posts
Posted on 1/26/12 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

tax court would say that the single owner llc is indistinguishable from its owner. it is their rule.


Based on what? Statute? Case?
Posted by rmc
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27250 posts
Posted on 1/26/12 at 10:28 pm to
I tell you what, if you want to chance the tax court because you want to have a donation drawn up instead of a contribution than be my guest. I can't imagine why you would do that when its as simple as executing and recording a different document. But you go right ahead. *Not legal advice*.
Posted by simonizer
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Member since Oct 2008
1697 posts
Posted on 1/26/12 at 10:32 pm to
i never said i wanted to do that. i would absolutely do an act of contribution rather than an act of donation.

you said there would be tax consequences. i just asked you why?
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