re: I guess Matt Flynn was better than JaMarcus Russell after all

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Miles is an expert at deflecting criticism and being cagey. Many Rantards still fall for it, even after 7 years of watching him. It's amazing how good the guy is.

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The Hat has done a great job this year and has actually learned from his mistakes and I'm happy as an LSU fan that he has.

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Thanks for confirming my memory. I remember thinking in '06, "JaMarcus Russell is a tremendous quarterback but he can't seem to win the big game." Auburn and Florida that year were unquestionably the big games, based on their rankings but also the flow of the schedule. I don't care how many stats JR compiled against Auburn. We scored 3 points. He failed. It goes back to leadership.

Flynn was never as talented as JR but we beat Florida and Auburn. We beat Alabama. We clobbered Virginia Tech. We did lose to Kentucky and Arkansas but when your offense puts up 37 and 48 points respectively, it's hard to blame the quarterback. Ultimately, Flynn won the big games, Russell didn't. That leadership quality is important in the NFL and it partly speaks to the way things turned out for both of them.

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Mother fricking This! There are always these people on the rant that look at talen alone, but forget about the intangibles. Flynn had both. While he may not have had JR's talents, he had enough and had an infinitely more intangibles

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On intangible Flynn had was that there were less good teams in '07 than there were in '06, allowing him to get to the NCG. I guess that means he's better than Jamarcus.

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You are comparing apples to oranges, we are not talking about how the team got into the NCG. We are talking about how Flynn led the team to wins in tough games, when jamarcus lost those games. The games that Flynn lost in 07 the offense was clicking, but the D sucked dick. In 06 when Jamarcus lost the offense stunk it up in those games. and he was turrible!

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I just fail to see anything concrete that says Jamarcus was heads and tails better than Flynn was in college.

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How about the fact that JR was a 1st team All Sec selection and Manning award winner which goes to the nations' best quarterback in '06. Flynn was neither of those in '07. JR hit on 67.8 % of his passes in '06 compared to 56.3 % for MF in '07. 28-8 touchdown to int. ratio compared to 21-11 for Flynn.

LSU suffered 2 losses in '05, '06 & '07. Can't stand the argument that MF was better because the TEAM won the NC in '07. I guess Tee Martin was better than Peyton Manning since UT won an NC the year after Manning graduated.

Here's a list of some serviceable qb's whose TEAMS won NC's. Jay Barker, Griese, Heupel, Krenzel, Mauck, Leak, Flynn, McElroy. A lot of these teams have had better qb's on their rosters, but in those particular years they were members of the best TEAM in the country.

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If saban stays. flynn is the starter. Flynn got one year to start. Imagine if they wouldn't have been so enamoured by Jamarcus arm strenth and would have made the decision based off of who would have made better decisions on the field. Something tells me flynn would have had much beter numbers in the long run. If you can progress that much in the nfl. just think what he could have done in college with nore than one year to start.Flynn is a better athelete

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shite like this is mind boggling

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so when it came to having to up his game in being a real student of the game and working hard to improve he really didn't have any life experiences to draw from

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bullshite. JR had to work and study the game to become great in 2006

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You are comparing apples to oranges, we are not talking about how the team got into the NCG. We are talking about how Flynn led the team to wins in tough games, when jamarcus lost those games. The games that Flynn lost in 07 the offense was clicking, but the D sucked dick. In 06 when Jamarcus lost the offense stunk it up in those games. and he was turrible!

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Terrible memory is terrible.

The 2006 team lost road games against teams that were in the top 5 in the nation. They were underdogs in both games. The 2007 team lost to unranked opponents that they were supposed to beat quite easily. In those games Flynn was completely awful completing less than 50% of his passes. Had he played better LSU would have won both of those games. The 2007 team should have went undefeated in all honesty.

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I just fail to see anything concrete that says Jamarcus was heads and tails better than Flynn was in college.

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do you want me to post the stats in their final seasons? JR wins and it isn't close

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yes, but in this case you're trying to create something that isn't there..

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the something that isn't there is LSU losing, the something that still is there is bad coaching, but even better post game spin.