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An Outsiders Take on QB Situation

Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:48 pm
Posted by wolverinehusky
Member since Dec 2011
8 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:48 pm
Hi All,

First, I'm a University of Washington (Class of '95) and Michigan fan (Lass of '98-Law School). I'm "huskylawyer" on dawgman.com, the primary University of Washington football forum (paying member with almost 2000 posts). I say this so people don't think I'm some closet LSU fan that posted on the QB situation before. I'm also a HUGE Miles fan, and I'm disappointed that he didn't go to Michigan.

I planned on signing up for this forum in anticipation of the UW-LSU football game (which I plan to attend). I started to lurk here the past few weeks to get information on your team. Great fans and insightful, but something completely shocked me.

What is the deal with the utter hate of your QBs???!!!

Reading the posts, it just seems crazy, and I've never seen anything like it. Many of you literally despise YOUR OWN!? I never seen a fan base turn on their own players as bad as here. Sure, all fans will get mad at their players, but they still support the player since they are "one of our own." Those kids are attending your school (and in some cases, YOUR CLASSMATES), and contributing. And I see posts like, "he's dumb" or "I can't wait till he's gone." You guys even turn on former players (e.g., Jamarcuss Russell). What is up with that?

At UW, last year we had Jake Locker. He was super fast, could probably play RB in the NFL, but he was a terrible QB. He couldn't hit a barn if it was in front of him. We got a new traditional pocket passing QB this year, and he proceeded to break the passing TD record (30). We had lots of debates on Locker at Dawgman, but you know what, NONE of us said we hate him. None of us said he was dumb. If trolls from other teams attacked him, we STILL defended him, even though we knew he was an inadequate QB. Why? Because he was one of us. A few years ago we had Isiah Stanback (a WR in the NFL) playing QB. He wasn't a very good QB, and we lost a lot of games. But you know what? We all still love him, because he's a Dawg. We cheer when he does well in the NFL.

But here, you guys literally hate JJ or JL. You call them names. Sure, JJ had his assault deal, and JL seems like he has little interest in class, but they are YOUNG MEN (like many of you) who make mistakes, and why would you turn on your own because of that?

From an outsider, honestly, and this is just being blunt - it appears some of you have BIG issues with race. That's sad, as we are in 2011, and it kinda reinforces stereotypes about Louisiana.

As for who should be starting, personally, you guys are crazy for questioning Miles, as unless you attend practice every day, the results speak for themselves. Miles prefers JJ, and he doesn't trust JL. It ain't rocket science. The reason behind that isn't some "affirmative action" (as one poster shockingly said in a post I read), but rather, he EVERY DAY dealings with JJ and JL. As for my own person opinion, frankly, I think you guys are a better team with JJ. Like our former QB (Locker), he's a great athlete with questionable decision making skills and throwing ability. But the team seems to rally around him, and his mistakes (incomplete passes), aren't as killing as JL's mistakes (you lose to Bama if Lee plays that entire game--for that alone you should be grateful to have JJ). He also doesn't seem to get flustered as much as Lee I'd gather that Miles, who is a lot smarter than all of us, sees that. Its kinda like Tebow in Denver. Before this weekend, he was downright outfall, and passes like a woman. But you know what? He wins, and that is all that matters.

But regardless of who you think is better, why would you turn ON YOUR OWN. Again, I'm just flabbergasted that some of you guys would hate your own players, largely over "fanbois" who support a player because of the color of their skin. It is just sad.

Just had to add in on this topic. I was going to post on "where should us Husky fans stay" but I had to post on this because I was in utter shock at what is going on here. Never seen a fan base turn on their own players who contribute to the team (the Jamarcuss Russell bashing was surprising as well). We had Billy Joe Hobert, who was generally a punk and put us on probation for buying corvettes every year. But you know what, he's a Dawg, and we all support him, despite what he did.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 1:49 pm
Posted by HeadCoach
Shady's Parking Lot
Member since Mar 2009
5659 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:49 pm to
tl;dr
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20292 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:49 pm to
LSU is LSU's biggest rival. We hate each other. We will fight about anything.

Enjoy the Rant
Posted by kappadelttau
Member since Sep 2011
339 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:51 pm to
Locker, yeah, I had him confused with Luck the whole time. At least I got the conference right.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12027 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:54 pm to
You must not watch many LSU games.
Posted by hunt66
Member since Aug 2011
1487 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:54 pm to
Welcome to the Rant! however - post is way too long. try again with just high points. Enjoy the board!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283027 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:54 pm to
,
quote:

largely over "fanbois" who support a player because of the color of their skin. It is just sad.



You just stereotyped the fan base, awesome. Living in the NW, it's surprising how many people believe that everything "southern" can neatly be explained away by racial categories.

Posted by 2007lsuno1
Marietta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
6692 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:55 pm to
Welcome and good observation. I can see some have already started in on you. Expect that. These young people are ruthless. Trust me.

LSU is a great school with a very loyal fanbase, but they wear their emotions on their sleeves. They also proport to think they know all things, particularly the game of football. Please excuse some of the comments/rebuttles. They really do mean well, they just can't help themselves.

Good luck to you and your team. It's been one hell of a year for us with the one big one left. Pray for us. We need it.

Posted by ThugginItandLovinIt
Member since Aug 2011
840 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:58 pm to
You're wrong. It's about production, not race. If we had Cam Newton or RG3, no one would be bitching. Stupid post is stupid.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10711 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:58 pm to
A lot of the hate between Lee and Jefferson is raced based sad to say. Not going by what people say on this board (although one could easily draw their own conclusions on that), but what I have observed from my own extended family(sad to say)and people you talk to about LSU football. There are definite differences in style of quarterback play that one could legitimately argue; but the vitriol towards JJ has no other explanation. It mainly comes from older people but it is there and it is palpable. One of the best, most joyous seasons in LSU history; but if one were to read this board during the season you wouldn't think so.
Posted by Beaux
Down On The Bayou
Member since Sep 2005
4585 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:58 pm to


Bama Boy fo Life

An insiders take on your outside perspective.....enjoy watching us win out third national title in Nawlins within last 8 years
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 2:01 pm
Posted by MrCoachKlein
Member since Sep 2010
10308 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 1:58 pm to
Hi Y'all*

FIFY
Posted by tiger88
Member since Jan 2006
1041 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:02 pm to
welcome Huskie. Btw, really like UDub's take on purple and gold...some snazzy togs.

Yes, we LSU fans -- in this forum -- are often like a litter of hyenas. I attribute it to our diverse culture, which we love and hate, at the same time.




Is it a race thing? Not at the end of the day. You see, in the late 90s we had a great QB named Rohan Davey, and he was much "loved" as most any QB, regardless of race, can be by its fans.
This post was edited on 12/5/11 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12027 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

the vitriol towards JJ has no other explanation.
Yeah. It has to be race right?

It can't be anything to do with over throws, under throws, no throws, intentional grounding throws, sacks, decision making, or attitude.

The only explanation has to be race, right?
:smh:
Posted by Frankie Knuckles
Member since Jul 2010
2807 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:03 pm to
Happen to agree with you 100%. This is what happens when you have a 3 year long QB controversy where both QB's have had minimal success coupled with lots of struggles.
Posted by Oxidized Iron
Zachary, La.
Member since Jun 2010
134 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:03 pm to
Welcome to the Rant. One note: intelligent posts are rare and mostly unread. Posts like yours, while insightful, put many Rantards to sleep.

Keep in mind; many on this board represent all that is wrong with our fanbase. A small contigent of soulless bastards congregate here, and us few logical Tiger fans try and salvage our image. But remember; these LSU fans do love their Tigers. They will scream their hate for our players here with the coat of internet ambiguity, but dammit, when we win, they dance and high five too.

We aren't proud of the Rant, but we sure are proud of the Rant.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283027 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

but the vitriol towards JJ has no other explanation.



Simply because you can't think of any other explanation.
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
4523 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

As for who should be starting, personally, you guys are crazy for questioning Miles, as unless you attend practice every day, the results speak for themselves. Miles prefers JJ, and he doesn't trust JL. It ain't rocket science. The reason behind that isn't some "affirmative action" (as one poster shockingly said in a post I read), but rather, he EVERY DAY dealings with JJ and JL. As for my own person opinion, frankly, I think you guys are a better team with JJ. Like our former QB (Locker), he's a great athlete with questionable decision making skills and throwing ability. But the team seems to rally around him, and his mistakes (incomplete passes), aren't as killing as JL's mistakes (you lose to Bama if Lee plays that entire game--for that alone you should be grateful to have JJ). He also doesn't seem to get flustered as much as Lee I'd gather that Miles, who is a lot smarter than all of us, sees that. Its kinda like Tebow in Denver. Before this weekend, he was downright outfall, and passes like a woman. But you know what? He wins, and that is all that matters.




I honestly think race is the underlying reason people hate our QBs.

The stats and success of each players is almost identical. The only difference is who has been starting lately.

Miles def know best and there is a reason he is the coach and 13-0.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283027 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

You see, in the late 90s we had a great QB named Rohan Davey, and he was much "loved" as most any QB, regardless of race, can be by its fans.


Posted by wolverinehusky
Member since Dec 2011
8 posts
Posted on 12/5/11 at 2:09 pm to
I have no doubt you guys have a great fan base. I'm actually rooting for you in the NC game. I'm also looking forward to coming to the game next year. My crew travels to a lot of away games (South Bend, Ann Arbor, Lincoln). But I hear Baton Rouge is awesome!
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