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re: Reason #99 why the Heisman is a joke
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:18 am to Baloo
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:18 am to Baloo
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...but I really do think Luck played poorly in his big games while Barkley played great in USC's biggest games. That's the tiebreaker for me.
You ignore which team has more talent AND ignore the consistency of Luck overall. Played poorly? Hitting guys right in the hands is poor? One bad pass is poor?
Geesh, you really are one of the most sports ignorant individuals here.
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Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:20 am to Choupique19
This is groundbreaking stuff.
I always liked what Beano Cook said about the Heisman..."you win the Heisman Trophy by winning as the QB of Notre Dame or by being the QB who beats Notre Dame."
It may be outdated by the premise still applies.
Richardson will win it because like Ingram - he's just another RB for ("best or 2nd best team") Bama - next year there will be some other guy to fill the role. Ho-hum. Carry on. Much ado about nothing.
I always liked what Beano Cook said about the Heisman..."you win the Heisman Trophy by winning as the QB of Notre Dame or by being the QB who beats Notre Dame."
It may be outdated by the premise still applies.
Richardson will win it because like Ingram - he's just another RB for ("best or 2nd best team") Bama - next year there will be some other guy to fill the role. Ho-hum. Carry on. Much ado about nothing.
This post was edited on 12/3/11 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:22 am to DP40
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You ignore which team has more talent AND ignore the consistency of Luck overall.
Luck had maybe the worst receivers of any Heisman Trophy QB candidate ever.
Walk-on looking white men can't jump TE bulky body can't separate from defender stiffs.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:27 am to Baloo
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Luck and Barkley are in a near statistical dead heat, but I really do think Luck played poorly in his big games while Barkley played great in USC's biggest games. That's the tiebreaker for me.
Luck played poorly against Oregon. We were able to tee off on Luck and not Barkley. Likewise, I honestly believe that Luck has a average to below average receiving corp and Barkley has probably the best duo in cfb.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:42 am to SprintFun
quote:Where were you the first 5 weeks of the season?
Griffin was off the radar until he beat the Sooners.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:48 am to bisonduck
That's true. USC has a far better receiving corps. But Luck has a better o-line to sit behind.
But consistent? In Luck's first six games, or the weak part of Stanford's schedule, Luck topped 9 yds/att four times. He threw only 3 picks.
In the second half of the season, as the games got harder, Luck has not topped 9 yd/att once (though he's topped 8 three times). He threw 6 picks, or one a game. He also had only one of his four 300 yard passing games in the 2nd half, though that was against USC (he did torch USC).
Sorry that disagreeing with you makes me ignorant. But I'm actually backing up my opinions with facts from the statistical record. And yes, I saw the games, too.
I don't hate Luck, I called it a dead heat between him and Barkley. I break it by Luck not playing as well in the second half of the season and not that well against Oregon (yes, one interception wasn't his fault). He's still an excellent player and probably the #1 pick in the draft.
But consistent? In Luck's first six games, or the weak part of Stanford's schedule, Luck topped 9 yds/att four times. He threw only 3 picks.
In the second half of the season, as the games got harder, Luck has not topped 9 yd/att once (though he's topped 8 three times). He threw 6 picks, or one a game. He also had only one of his four 300 yard passing games in the 2nd half, though that was against USC (he did torch USC).
Sorry that disagreeing with you makes me ignorant. But I'm actually backing up my opinions with facts from the statistical record. And yes, I saw the games, too.
I don't hate Luck, I called it a dead heat between him and Barkley. I break it by Luck not playing as well in the second half of the season and not that well against Oregon (yes, one interception wasn't his fault). He's still an excellent player and probably the #1 pick in the draft.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:50 am to Baloo
Barkley has been sacked 6 times all year and USC protected their statue very well. I will say that Barkley's pocket awareness was very good though even with the lack of mobility.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:56 am to Choupique19
probably a bigger joke that he was "off the radar" to begin with...dude is definitely one of the best players in CFB
Suh winning the Heisman a few years ago would have done wonders for the award
Suh winning the Heisman a few years ago would have done wonders for the award
This post was edited on 12/3/11 at 11:58 am
Posted on 12/3/11 at 11:58 am to Baloo
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Sorry that disagreeing with you makes me ignorant.
I don't believe Bison was saying you're ignorant
This is a tough year for the heisman. There really is no one that stands out above everyone else like most years. I do think RGIII has a great opportunity to win it if he puts on a show tonight. Last impressions can go a long way in this beauty contest.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:00 pm to RLDSC FAN
DP40 was. I shifted who I was responding to. He said I'm one of the most ignorant people on the board. Because ad hominem attacks really shows your intellect.
See, and I think everybody is close but RGIII. I think he's clearly ahead of the pack, but won't win because he plays for Baylor and ESPN is actively campaigning against him.
See, and I think everybody is close but RGIII. I think he's clearly ahead of the pack, but won't win because he plays for Baylor and ESPN is actively campaigning against him.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:01 pm to Hot Carl
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. I really don't understand your beef here.
I was thinking the same thing. Barkley is a worthy candidate, that he was overlooked all year and added late should be seen as a positive, not a negative.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:03 pm to Baloo
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See, and I think everybody is close but RGIII. I think he's clearly ahead of the pack, but won't win because he plays for Baylor and ESPN is actively campaigning against him.
I agree with you on that.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:04 pm to Choupique19
ZOMG the heisman is terrible because a good player might finish 4th in the voting! SHAME!
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:05 pm to Baloo
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Luck and Barkley are in a near statistical dead heat, but I really do think Luck played poorly in his big games while Barkley played great in USC's biggest games. That's the tiebreaker for me.
Though, to be fair, Luck ha a better rating and yds/attempt. Barkley has the better TD/INT ratio and more yards (due to more attempts). It's close. My tiebreaker is "big stage" games. If you have a different one, that's fair. I won't say you're wrong. they are very even.
I saw the numbers between the two players and I thought that they looked close. Then, a lot of posters have said Barkley has the better numbers, which I found to be a little confusing. I thought that maybe I did not check enough stats or something, but low and behold, their numbers are pretty similar. Personally, I do not think it matters between them because it should be Griffin for the Heisman.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:09 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Speaking of which, Keenum is bust playing his way off my ballot.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:10 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Marquis Lee and Woods are two of the best WR I've seen in awhile. Woods beat Keyshawn Johnson's record as a true sophmore and Lee was still able to rack up all of those yards. Woods was hobbled the last 4 games of the season.
They are a very scary duo.
Woods would've been a candidate had he not been hobbled. He could've had a 120 catches or more.
They are a very scary duo.
Woods would've been a candidate had he not been hobbled. He could've had a 120 catches or more.
This post was edited on 12/3/11 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:13 pm to bisonduck
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They are a very scary duo.
They're a lot of fun to watch and will help whomever becomes the starting QB look good next year. Wait till you see George Farmer, he'll be better than both of them IMO
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:18 pm to Baloo
Come on, he had a perfect throw that should have been a long TD, but the WR just flat dropped it.
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:33 pm to Choupique19
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I realize that Barkely has had a good year, but how can you go from being off of the radar, to a top finalist with one good game?
one great game?
He had two games with 6 TD's. one with 5, two with four.
Let's look at his body of work.
308 of 446
3528 yards
294 ypg
69.1%
39 TD's
7 INTS
That is not what I would call a "good" season with "one" great game.
This post was edited on 12/3/11 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 12/3/11 at 12:36 pm to RLDSC FAN
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They're a lot of fun to watch and will help whomever becomes the starting QB look good next year. Wait till you see George Farmer, he'll be better than both of them IMO
We wanted both Lee and Farmer.
Btw, LMJ said the fastest player for Oregon is a redshirting WR named Kelley. Sumler and Blackmon will make Oregon scary. If Barkley and LMJ come back next year, that could be the game of the year outside of perhaps LSU/BAMA.
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