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Saban to Penn State not as crazy as it seems (long)
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:07 pm
Let me explain things. I had a family member who was a booster for Michigan State until he passed away and I know someone who casually knew Nick back in East Lansing back when Nick was an assistant coach at MSU under George Perles. The person I know had deep connections via family to MSU football.
Nick loves challenges and Nick needs to be constantly told how he's appreciated. He does only want to deal with Football and doesn't like the alumni/booster backslapping and handshaking which is a key for him.
What you have to know is that Nick never really wanted to leave Michigan State. That's no bullshite. He wanted a raise and contract extension and was going to use the LSU offer to get that, but as some of you know people do get tired of his act and the president of MSU had had it and wasn't going to top LSU's offer. He was going to come very, very close to matching it. Basically things spiraled out of control when he and Sexton negotiated with both LSU and MSU and MSU called his bluff and he took the LSU job. He also got cold feet and the day after he went to Baton Rouge he did call a member of the Board of Trustees at MSU and wondered if they would take him back. Think Billy Donovan at Florida who accepted and decline the Magic job.
Now things worked out great for Nick at LSU and Alabama and he doesn't regret the move to LSU at all, but in his mind and in his memories some of his happiest days was when he was at MSU. He has said this before in interviews both while he was an assistant and when he was head coach.
Now Nick loves challenges and he needs to be appreciated. I can see Nick using a Penn State offer to get a counter-offer from Bama and events repeating themselves. Remember Nick needs to feel constantly loved and appreciated and yes people at LSU, MSU and the Dolphins did get tired of his shite.
You see Nick does relish the idea of dominating the big ten at Penn State as a challenge. The idea of competing against Ohio State and Urban Meyer and Brady Hoke at Michigan and in a round about way Notre Dame and Kelly does appeal to him. The idea of being the only coach to win titles at LSU, Alabama and Penn State appeals to him. He can't win 400 games but he can be the man who won titles at LSU, Alabama and Penn State. He would be considered one of the best coaches of all time and that drives Nick.
Nick is also not a conservative republican and you know what Alabama is like. Nick was at Kent State and read the between the lines when he talks about being at Kent State. He is no conservative Republican.
Two of Nick's and his family's closest friends are Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio at Michigan State and he does like the idea of seeing those guys more. He would also love the challenge of going into East Lansing again and Ann Arbor and Columbus leading Penn State.
Is this likely no, but it's more likely than bammers wish to think.
Nick loves challenges and Nick needs to be constantly told how he's appreciated. He does only want to deal with Football and doesn't like the alumni/booster backslapping and handshaking which is a key for him.
What you have to know is that Nick never really wanted to leave Michigan State. That's no bullshite. He wanted a raise and contract extension and was going to use the LSU offer to get that, but as some of you know people do get tired of his act and the president of MSU had had it and wasn't going to top LSU's offer. He was going to come very, very close to matching it. Basically things spiraled out of control when he and Sexton negotiated with both LSU and MSU and MSU called his bluff and he took the LSU job. He also got cold feet and the day after he went to Baton Rouge he did call a member of the Board of Trustees at MSU and wondered if they would take him back. Think Billy Donovan at Florida who accepted and decline the Magic job.
Now things worked out great for Nick at LSU and Alabama and he doesn't regret the move to LSU at all, but in his mind and in his memories some of his happiest days was when he was at MSU. He has said this before in interviews both while he was an assistant and when he was head coach.
Now Nick loves challenges and he needs to be appreciated. I can see Nick using a Penn State offer to get a counter-offer from Bama and events repeating themselves. Remember Nick needs to feel constantly loved and appreciated and yes people at LSU, MSU and the Dolphins did get tired of his shite.
You see Nick does relish the idea of dominating the big ten at Penn State as a challenge. The idea of competing against Ohio State and Urban Meyer and Brady Hoke at Michigan and in a round about way Notre Dame and Kelly does appeal to him. The idea of being the only coach to win titles at LSU, Alabama and Penn State appeals to him. He can't win 400 games but he can be the man who won titles at LSU, Alabama and Penn State. He would be considered one of the best coaches of all time and that drives Nick.
Nick is also not a conservative republican and you know what Alabama is like. Nick was at Kent State and read the between the lines when he talks about being at Kent State. He is no conservative Republican.
Two of Nick's and his family's closest friends are Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio at Michigan State and he does like the idea of seeing those guys more. He would also love the challenge of going into East Lansing again and Ann Arbor and Columbus leading Penn State.
Is this likely no, but it's more likely than bammers wish to think.
This post was edited on 11/29/11 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:16 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
I can definitely see it.... I'll go on a limb and say that if the BCSCg is LSU-ok state, saban will be the next penn st head coach
However, the timing is not good if it's bama-LSU in title game, and I don't see it (saban to PennSt) happening if that's the case
However, the timing is not good if it's bama-LSU in title game, and I don't see it (saban to PennSt) happening if that's the case
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:22 pm to JPLSU1981
I have thought for a long time now that once JoePa stepped down, Nick would be his replacement for some of the very reasons listed here and the fact they should have a ton of money considering JoePa didn't make much comparatively.
But with the whole scandal, I just don't know if Saban would still do it.
But with the whole scandal, I just don't know if Saban would still do it.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:24 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
i am not gonna read that yet but anyone who does not think Saban would not leave has not been paying any attention over the last decade or so.
Saban would leave anywhere to go anywhere.
Saban would leave anywhere to go anywhere.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:25 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
You might be interested in this person's tweets: LINK
Says Penn State has contacted not only Mullen, but Saban and Richt also.
Says Penn State has contacted not only Mullen, but Saban and Richt also.
This post was edited on 11/29/11 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:27 pm to JPLSU1981
Saban to PSU before the NCG. Bobby Williams named interim coach. Bama rallies behind Williams and they beat LSU in NO on a Cade Foster game winning FG.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:36 pm to mattz1122
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Saban to PSU before the NCG. Bobby Williams named interim coach. Bama rallies behind Williams and they beat LSU in NO on a Cade Foster game winning FG.
We've already seen that movie. Nick will take care of Bobby Williams regardless of what happens.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:39 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Would be hilarious but I just don't see any way it happens. If the Bama brass let him go they would lynched.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 7:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Couple of other points. Nick still bristles at the idea that he left MSU because he didn't want to compete against Michigan and Notre Dame. Yes he said it at the early LSU press conferences but he doesn't like the idea that he ran away because he couldn't compete against Michigan and Notre Dame.
Read his interviews he never talks about LSU and Alabama the way he talks about his time at Michigan State. If Nick could leave MSU he can leave Alabama just as he left LSU when he seemingly had it all.
Read his interviews he never talks about LSU and Alabama the way he talks about his time at Michigan State. If Nick could leave MSU he can leave Alabama just as he left LSU when he seemingly had it all.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 8:20 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Couple of other points. Nick still bristles at the idea that he left MSU because he didn't want to compete against Michigan and Notre Dame. Yes he said it at the early LSU press conferences but he doesn't like the idea that he ran away because he couldn't compete against Michigan and Notre Dame.
Read his interviews he never talks about LSU and Alabama the way he talks about his time at Michigan State. If Nick could leave MSU he can leave Alabama just as he left LSU when he seemingly had it all.
So you're saying LSU isn't a better job than Michigan State?
Nick's always moved upwards in the college football ranks, and there's zero jobs in college football better than Alabama. Frankly there's only one job I'd be concerned came open and offered him, and that's Notre Dame.
The challenge to return them to prominence might be too much temptation for him.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 8:29 pm to llfshoals
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So you're saying LSU isn't a better job than Michigan State?
No, but what I am saying is that Nick had some of the happiest times of his life at MSU and in fact he has admitted in many interviews for that to be true and that leaving MSU was the hardest thing he ever had to do because he was happy there before things got out of control.
He has never spoken about Alabama and LSU the way he has spoken about MSU. That doesn't mean MSU is the better job it just means that he really loved his time at MSU and that if he can leave MSU he can leave Alabama especially when he 1) loves challenges, 2) needs constant reassurance and 3) feels he has something left to prove.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 8:49 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
When coaching change rumors involving Saban stop appearing within a week (before or after) the IB, I'll start taking them seriously.
I do agree that Saban seems to enjoy taking programs from rags to riches, and that he's undoubtedly tired of the Bama media holding him accountable for sneezing, but you can't argue that the man doesn't love his money. Bama will keep dumping it on his front porch as long as he keeps winning 10-12 games a year and one of them is against AU.
I do agree that Saban seems to enjoy taking programs from rags to riches, and that he's undoubtedly tired of the Bama media holding him accountable for sneezing, but you can't argue that the man doesn't love his money. Bama will keep dumping it on his front porch as long as he keeps winning 10-12 games a year and one of them is against AU.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 8:54 pm to llfshoals
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Nick's always moved upwards in the college football ranks, and there's zero jobs in college football better than Alabama.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 8:56 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Remember Nick needs to feel constantly loved and appreciated and yes people at LSU, MSU and the Dolphins did get tired of his shite.
but not the people at bama. they would sell their soul for a winner no matter the shite they had to eat to get there. he has a statue for a reason man. jesus christ is not as important as nick saban in alabama. true dat.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 9:41 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I do agree that Saban seems to enjoy taking programs from rags to riches, and that he's undoubtedly tired of the Bama media holding him accountable for sneezing, but you can't argue that the man doesn't love his money. Bama will keep dumping it on his front porch as long as he keeps winning 10-12 games a year and one of them is against AU.
With Nick is about rank as much as it is about amount. If being the top paid football coach meant only $250,000 he'd be happy. Sure he'll take the money bama throws at him, but if it's just as much about rank as it is the actual amount.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 9:42 pm to LSU GrandDad
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jesus christ is not as important as nick saban in alabama
This I would believe....
This post was edited on 11/29/11 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 11/29/11 at 9:52 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Another note. We all know that the SEC is tops in football and Nick believes that he is mostly responsible for it with his time at LSU and now at Alabama.
Now the idea of him going to Penn State and with Meyer at Ohio State and his friend Dantonio at MSU and leading the big ten back to the top with Penn State leading the way appeals to him greatly.
All this talk of Nick being the best and how good you want to be (at college football) is not bullshite with Nick. Nick wants to believe that it was him and not the speed or superior athletes of the SEC which led the way. He wants to say it was him just as much or more than the players available or the money or the resources. The idea of recruiting the best of the Midwest and PA and bringing in the best from the South is very appealing to him.
Now the idea of him going to Penn State and with Meyer at Ohio State and his friend Dantonio at MSU and leading the big ten back to the top with Penn State leading the way appeals to him greatly.
All this talk of Nick being the best and how good you want to be (at college football) is not bullshite with Nick. Nick wants to believe that it was him and not the speed or superior athletes of the SEC which led the way. He wants to say it was him just as much or more than the players available or the money or the resources. The idea of recruiting the best of the Midwest and PA and bringing in the best from the South is very appealing to him.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:06 pm to llfshoals
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there's zero jobs in college football better than Alabama
Cant you people just go away? The arrogance is nauseating.
Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:15 pm to jlc05
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Cant you people just go away? The arrogance is nauseating.
Like it or not, it's the truth. Yes we're arrogant, yes we've earned the right to be. We're arguably the best program in the history of the game, and that doesn't look likely to change anytime soon.
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