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Most wins against Top 25 teams in BCS History
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:16 pm
Should LSU finish the season 14-0, the Tigers will have defeated 9 ranked teams.
2011 - LSU 14-0 (9)
2010 - Auburn 14-0 (6)
2009 - Alabama 14-0 (6)
2008 - Florida 13-1 (6)
2007 - LSU 12-2 (7)
2006 - Florida 13-1 (5)
2005 - Texas 13-0 (4)
2004 - USC 13-0 (3)
2003 - LSU 13-1 (5)
2002 - Ohio State 14-0 (5)
2001 - Miami 12-0 (5)
2000 - Oklahoma 13-0 (6)
1999 - Florida State 12-0 (5)
1998 - Tennessee 13-0 (6)
2011 - LSU 14-0 (9)
No.3 Oregon - Won 40-27 (Cowboys Stadium)
at No.25 Miss State - Won 19-6
at No.16 West Virginia - Won 47-21
No.17 Florida - Won 41-11
No.19 Auburn - Won 45-10
at No.2 Alabama - Won 9-6 OT
No.3 Arkansas - Won 41-17
No.14 Georgia (SEC Championship)
No.2 Alabama or Oklahoma State (BCS Championship)
2010 - Auburn 14-0 (6)
No.12 South Carolina - Won 35-27
No.12 Arkansas - Won 65-43
No.6 LSU - Won 24-17
at No.9 Alabama - Won 28-27
No.18 South Carolina - Won 56-17 (SEC Championship)
No.2 Oregon - Won 22-19 (BCS Championship)
2009 - Alabama 14-0 (6)
No.7 Virginia Tech - Won 34-24 (Georgia Dome)
at No.20 Ole Miss - Won 22-3
No.22 South Carolina - Won 20-6
No.9 LSU - Won 24-15
No.1 Florida - Won 32-13 (SEC Championship)
No.2 Texas - Won 37-21 (BCS Championship)
2008 - Florida 13-1 (6)
No.3 LSU - Won 51-21
No.8 Georgia - Won 49-10 (Jacksonville)
No.23 South Carolina - Won 56-6
at No.24 Florida State - Won 45-15
No.1 Alabama - Won 31-20 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Oklahoma - Won 24-14 (BCS Championship)
2007 - LSU 12-2 (7)
No.9 Virginia Tech - Won 48-7
No.14 South Carolina - Won 28-16
No.7 Florida - Won 28-24
No.19 Auburn - Won 30-24
at No.18 Alabama - Won 41-34
No.15 Tennessee - Won 21-14 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Ohio State - Won 38-24 (BCS Championship)
2006 - Florida 13-1 (5)
at No.13 Tennessee - Won 21-20
No.9 LSU - Won 23-10
No.25 Georgia - Won 21-14 (Jacksonville)
No.8 Arkansas - Won 38-28 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Ohio State - Won 41-14 (BCS Championship)
2005 - Texas 13-0 (4)
at No.4 Ohio State - Won 25-22
No.24 Colorado - Won 42-17
No.10 Texas Tech - Won 52-17
No.1 USC - Won 41-38 (BCS Championship)
2004 - USC 13-0 (3)
No.7 California - Won 23-17
No.15 Arizona State - Won 45-7
No.2 Oklahoma - Won 55-19 (BCS Championship)
2003 - LSU 13-1 (5)
No.7 Georgia - Won 17-10
No.17 Auburn - Won 31-7
at No.15 Ole Miss - Won 17-14
No.5 Georgia - Won 34-13 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Oklahoma - Won 21-14 (BCS Championship)
2002 - Ohio State 14-0 (5)
No.10 Washington State - Won 25-7
No.17 Penn State - Won 13-7
No.19 Minnesota - Won 34-3
No.12 Michigan - Won 14-9
No.1 Miami - Won 31-24 2OT (BCS Championship)
2001 - Miami 12-0 (5)
at No.14 Florida State - Won 49-27
No.14 Syracuse - Won 59-0
No.12 Washington - Won 65-7
at No.14 Virginia Tech - Won 26-24
No.2 Nebraska - Won 37-14 (BCS Championship)
2000 - Oklahoma 13-0 (6)
No.11 Texas - Won 63-14 (Cotton Bowl)
at No.2 Kansas State - Won 41-31
No.1 Nebraska - Won 31-14
at No.23 Texas A&M - Won 35-31
No.8 Kansas State - Won 27-24 (Big 12 Championship)
No.2 Florida State - Won 13-2 (BCS Championship)
1999 - Florida State 12-0 (5)
at No.10 Georgia Tech - Won 41-35
No.20 NC State - Won 42-11
No.19 Miami - Won 31-21
at No.4 Florida - Won 30-23
No.2 Virginia Tech - Won 46-29 (BCS Championship)
1998 - Tennessee 13-0 (6)
at No.17 Syracuse - Won 34-33
No.2 Florida - Won 20-17 OT
at No.7 Georgia - Won 22-3
No.10 Arkansas - Won 28-24
No.23 Miss State - Won 24-14 (SEC Championship)
No.2 Florida State - Won 23-16 (BCS Championship)
2011 - LSU 14-0 (9)
2010 - Auburn 14-0 (6)
2009 - Alabama 14-0 (6)
2008 - Florida 13-1 (6)
2007 - LSU 12-2 (7)
2006 - Florida 13-1 (5)
2005 - Texas 13-0 (4)
2004 - USC 13-0 (3)
2003 - LSU 13-1 (5)
2002 - Ohio State 14-0 (5)
2001 - Miami 12-0 (5)
2000 - Oklahoma 13-0 (6)
1999 - Florida State 12-0 (5)
1998 - Tennessee 13-0 (6)
2011 - LSU 14-0 (9)
No.3 Oregon - Won 40-27 (Cowboys Stadium)
at No.25 Miss State - Won 19-6
at No.16 West Virginia - Won 47-21
No.17 Florida - Won 41-11
No.19 Auburn - Won 45-10
at No.2 Alabama - Won 9-6 OT
No.3 Arkansas - Won 41-17
No.14 Georgia (SEC Championship)
No.2 Alabama or Oklahoma State (BCS Championship)
2010 - Auburn 14-0 (6)
No.12 South Carolina - Won 35-27
No.12 Arkansas - Won 65-43
No.6 LSU - Won 24-17
at No.9 Alabama - Won 28-27
No.18 South Carolina - Won 56-17 (SEC Championship)
No.2 Oregon - Won 22-19 (BCS Championship)
2009 - Alabama 14-0 (6)
No.7 Virginia Tech - Won 34-24 (Georgia Dome)
at No.20 Ole Miss - Won 22-3
No.22 South Carolina - Won 20-6
No.9 LSU - Won 24-15
No.1 Florida - Won 32-13 (SEC Championship)
No.2 Texas - Won 37-21 (BCS Championship)
2008 - Florida 13-1 (6)
No.3 LSU - Won 51-21
No.8 Georgia - Won 49-10 (Jacksonville)
No.23 South Carolina - Won 56-6
at No.24 Florida State - Won 45-15
No.1 Alabama - Won 31-20 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Oklahoma - Won 24-14 (BCS Championship)
2007 - LSU 12-2 (7)
No.9 Virginia Tech - Won 48-7
No.14 South Carolina - Won 28-16
No.7 Florida - Won 28-24
No.19 Auburn - Won 30-24
at No.18 Alabama - Won 41-34
No.15 Tennessee - Won 21-14 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Ohio State - Won 38-24 (BCS Championship)
2006 - Florida 13-1 (5)
at No.13 Tennessee - Won 21-20
No.9 LSU - Won 23-10
No.25 Georgia - Won 21-14 (Jacksonville)
No.8 Arkansas - Won 38-28 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Ohio State - Won 41-14 (BCS Championship)
2005 - Texas 13-0 (4)
at No.4 Ohio State - Won 25-22
No.24 Colorado - Won 42-17
No.10 Texas Tech - Won 52-17
No.1 USC - Won 41-38 (BCS Championship)
2004 - USC 13-0 (3)
No.7 California - Won 23-17
No.15 Arizona State - Won 45-7
No.2 Oklahoma - Won 55-19 (BCS Championship)
2003 - LSU 13-1 (5)
No.7 Georgia - Won 17-10
No.17 Auburn - Won 31-7
at No.15 Ole Miss - Won 17-14
No.5 Georgia - Won 34-13 (SEC Championship)
No.1 Oklahoma - Won 21-14 (BCS Championship)
2002 - Ohio State 14-0 (5)
No.10 Washington State - Won 25-7
No.17 Penn State - Won 13-7
No.19 Minnesota - Won 34-3
No.12 Michigan - Won 14-9
No.1 Miami - Won 31-24 2OT (BCS Championship)
2001 - Miami 12-0 (5)
at No.14 Florida State - Won 49-27
No.14 Syracuse - Won 59-0
No.12 Washington - Won 65-7
at No.14 Virginia Tech - Won 26-24
No.2 Nebraska - Won 37-14 (BCS Championship)
2000 - Oklahoma 13-0 (6)
No.11 Texas - Won 63-14 (Cotton Bowl)
at No.2 Kansas State - Won 41-31
No.1 Nebraska - Won 31-14
at No.23 Texas A&M - Won 35-31
No.8 Kansas State - Won 27-24 (Big 12 Championship)
No.2 Florida State - Won 13-2 (BCS Championship)
1999 - Florida State 12-0 (5)
at No.10 Georgia Tech - Won 41-35
No.20 NC State - Won 42-11
No.19 Miami - Won 31-21
at No.4 Florida - Won 30-23
No.2 Virginia Tech - Won 46-29 (BCS Championship)
1998 - Tennessee 13-0 (6)
at No.17 Syracuse - Won 34-33
No.2 Florida - Won 20-17 OT
at No.7 Georgia - Won 22-3
No.10 Arkansas - Won 28-24
No.23 Miss State - Won 24-14 (SEC Championship)
No.2 Florida State - Won 23-16 (BCS Championship)
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:21 pm to McManus
Wow, USC won in 2004 while beating just three ranked teams and one of them was in the NC game.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:22 pm to McManus
quote:
Should LSU finish the season 14-0, the Tigers will have defeated 9 ranked teams.
Let's wait and see the final numbers. Ranking at time of game is almost entirely irrelevant.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:22 pm to McManus
I love this stat
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:27 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:
Let's wait and see the final numbers. Ranking at time of game is almost entirely irrelevant.
Actually no, not at all.. they almost always point to ranking at the time of defeat.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:29 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
quote:
Actually no, not at all.. they almost always point to ranking at the time of defeat.
I don't know who "they" is and I don't give a shite. It's stupid to act like beating a terrible Florida team who happened to be vastly overrated at the time of the game (due to the stupidity of ranking teams to begin with early in the season) is some historic feat.
Just wait for the end and then see what the number is. That will be more impressive anyway, since it will feature TWO wins over a Top 5 Bama team.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:30 pm to McManus
Final rankings are all that matter. I think the '07 team defeated 5 of the final top 15
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:35 pm to McManus
I posted this the other day from 2000 to present:
I took the opponents ranking (average of end of season AP and Coaches Polls) of great teams since 2000, inversed them (relative to 1-25) and added them up.
For example, Auburn 2010 gets awarded 23 points for beating No. 3 Oregon, and 18 points for No. 8 LSU, etc.
Here are all teams (2000-2010) with more than 50 points:
1 OU 2000 89
2 Auburn 2010 88.5
3 LSU 2007 75.5
4 LSU 2003 74.5
5 Alabama 2009 72
6 Auburn 2004 69.5
7 OSU 2002 67.5
8 OSU 2009 61.5
9 OU 2002 61.5
10 Florida 2006 61
11 Miami 2001 60.5
12 OU 2008 59.5
13 Florida 2008 59.5
14 OU 2007 59
15 Miami 2000 57
16 Texas 2005 56.5
17 Texas 2008 54.5
18 USC 2004 51
19 LSU 2005 50.5
Our 2011 Tigers would get a score of 93 with the following conservative estimate:
No. 3 Alabama (x2)
No. 6 Arkansas
No. 10 Oregon
No. 15 UGA
WVU and Auburn are omitted.
We're really good.
I took the opponents ranking (average of end of season AP and Coaches Polls) of great teams since 2000, inversed them (relative to 1-25) and added them up.
For example, Auburn 2010 gets awarded 23 points for beating No. 3 Oregon, and 18 points for No. 8 LSU, etc.
Here are all teams (2000-2010) with more than 50 points:
1 OU 2000 89
2 Auburn 2010 88.5
3 LSU 2007 75.5
4 LSU 2003 74.5
5 Alabama 2009 72
6 Auburn 2004 69.5
7 OSU 2002 67.5
8 OSU 2009 61.5
9 OU 2002 61.5
10 Florida 2006 61
11 Miami 2001 60.5
12 OU 2008 59.5
13 Florida 2008 59.5
14 OU 2007 59
15 Miami 2000 57
16 Texas 2005 56.5
17 Texas 2008 54.5
18 USC 2004 51
19 LSU 2005 50.5
Our 2011 Tigers would get a score of 93 with the following conservative estimate:
No. 3 Alabama (x2)
No. 6 Arkansas
No. 10 Oregon
No. 15 UGA
WVU and Auburn are omitted.
We're really good.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:39 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:Every team from every year gets the same benefit. It's apples to apples.
It's stupid to act like beating a terrible Florida team who happened to be vastly overrated at the time of the game
However, if it bothers you that much, you can put in the effort to pull the final rankings of all of the teams in the BCS era and find out for yourself.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:41 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Interesting. Underscores the idea that it's not necessary to include shitty teams who were over-ranked early in the season.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:42 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:
Just wait for the end and then see what the number is
waiting to the end to see final, also is accurate. had Oregon not played LSU they would be higher, losing to the #1 team drops people (look at arkansas) far but to be honest, they are supposed to lose otherwise they would have been #1. if 3 loses to 1 why should they fall 6 spots, everyone (theoretically) should lose to #1
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:44 pm to Mahootney
quote:
Every team from every year gets the same benefit. It's apples to apples.
What benefit is that?
quote:
However, if it bothers you that much, you can put in the effort to pull the final rankings of all of the teams in the BCS era and find out for yourself.
Too late. Somebody smarter than you already did it. Just look up.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:46 pm to Mahootney
quote:
Every team from every year gets the same benefit. It's apples to apples.
No they don't, and no it isn't.
You are interjecting luck as a big arse variable.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:46 pm to Holden Caulfield
quote:i've been pointing this out ever since people have been disparaging lsu '07. same with texas '05.
USC won in 2004 while beating just three ranked teams
i just find it interesting that once you get beyond the media hype about the logo on the helmet, usc and texas weren't as impressive as you thought.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:47 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:I actually agree with this. I think the scoring method that Ghostfaced is using makes this season look just as impressive while being more honest.
I don't know who "they" is and I don't give a shite. It's stupid to act like beating a terrible Florida team who happened to be vastly overrated at the time of the game (due to the stupidity of ranking teams to begin with early in the season) is some historic feat.
Just wait for the end and then see what the number is. That will be more impressive anyway, since it will feature TWO wins over a Top 5 Bama team.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:49 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:
Underscores the idea that it's not necessary to include shitty teams who were over-ranked early in the season.
Yes. It also goes back to the way conferences and teams are perceived. Is a "stronger" conference one that looks at the strength of it's average team or the one that is the most top heavy? Hell the ACC, minus Duke generally lacks truly terrible teams but also fails to produce any great teams. Also, is a win over Vandy or Duke tell you any more or less about team than a win over New Mexico or Idaho? Look at the top matchups and you will find the truth.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:50 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:lsu '07 beat 6 teams ranked at the end of the year. a feat only equaled by '98 tenn. in comparison, usc '04 only beat 3 teams ranked at the end of the year.
Ranking at time of game is almost entirely irrelevant
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:55 pm to bfniii
quote:
USC won in 2004 while beating just three ranked teams
It's true. USC 03 beat one ranked team (Wazzou No. 9) before Michigan. OU 2003 only beat 1 as well, 11.5 Texas. LSU had 4 wins (over 3 teams).
USC 04 beat No. 9, 10, and 19.5. Even Miami 01, who I don't think anyone will disparage, beat 6 teams but the highest ranked one was 7.5 Nebraska. Others were 14, 15, 18, 19, and 22. That was not their fault that NU snuck in Bama style, but still.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:00 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
quote:
Also, is a win over Vandy or Duke tell you any more or less about team than a win over New Mexico or Idaho?
I remember thinking about this a lot in 2003. My suggestion was to treat wins over, say, #'s 60 - 117 as identical when calculating SoS.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:09 pm to Tiger JJ
It's stupid to say that a team's ranking at the time they played is irrelavant.
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