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re: The offensive Guilbeau piece that's featured on the TD front page
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:45 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:45 pm to Gravitiger
quote:
And my point was that Auburn was a bad comparison to use.
Why? Saban led LSU to its first NC since 1958. Chizik led Auburn to its first since 1957. Saban had 4 losses the following year (2004). Auburn may win 8 or 9 games this year. Not that much difference. Saban got very lucky to get an SEC championship in 2001 with 3 losses. That rarely happens, especially since 1992.
I don't think Chizik is a Saban, but things didn't look that different for Auburn, who has been bringing in great recruiting classes under Chizik and are in a rebuilding year like LSU was in 2004.
There a number of parallels. But neither team, LSU in 2005 when Miles arrived, nor Auburn, under Chizik deserve description as a national championship program. The description by Gilbeau is simply inapt.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:45 pm to uway
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Saban turning LSU around was a much bigger accomplishment than his turning Bama around, and it's also a bigger accomplishment than what Miles has done with LSU.
Scoreboard: Miles>>>>>>>>Saban!
I fell better now. Been wanting to type for about 5 years.
This post was edited on 11/11/11 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:51 pm to tigerinridgeland
quote:
The description by Gilbeau is simply inapt.
Yes, it is. It is also inept. And dumb.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:53 pm to nycajun
He is no friend of LSU, that's for sure.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:58 pm to nycajun
I haven't read anything from him in awhile. He actually has good insight into LSU football, but he can't help to be a douchebag. His shtick makes me not read his stuff.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:58 pm to LSUwag
no he is not a friend of LSU. I really hope Chicken is reaping in piles of money for posting his crap because if not there is just no excuse. I have a problem with it either way.
eta:
aside from not being a friend, he is a shitty writer and analyst. He adds nothing to this site.
eta:
aside from not being a friend, he is a shitty writer and analyst. He adds nothing to this site.
This post was edited on 11/11/11 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:59 pm to Flashback
quote:
He actually has good insight into LSU football
the frick??
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:01 pm to TomballTiger
I don't think you realize what putting Guilbeau on the front page does to GG. He's seriously pissed off about that kind of stuff and has told me himself he thinks TD should be paying him when his articles are posted here.
I asked him if he was being sarcastic.
No. He wasn't.
I have a feeling putting him on the front page is Chickens way of telling GG to kiss his arse.
I asked him if he was being sarcastic.
No. He wasn't.
I have a feeling putting him on the front page is Chickens way of telling GG to kiss his arse.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:01 pm to nycajun
quote:
Price, Africa
Interim Publisher, Executive Editor
318-459-3366
agprice@gannett.com
If he bothers you that much, let the editor know or just stop reading as soon as you see the byline.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:02 pm to faxis
quote:
I have a feeling putting him on the front page is Chickens way of telling GG to kiss his arse
hmmm never thought of that. Good post.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:04 pm to txtiger21
quote:
If he bothers you that much, let the editor know or just stop reading as soon as you see the byline.
I only read his stuff because I click through to it on this site without being aware it's a Guilbeau article. If the Shreveport Times wants to publish him, I couldn't care less. I'm just suggesting that this site, which actually is pretty classy--especially relative to other school-oriented message boards, not give the bozo more play by linking to him from here.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:06 pm to nycajun
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"Miles is on the verge of capitalizing on the national championship program he inherited."
LSU was a "national championship program" in 04?
And here I was thinking LSU finished bout 4th in the SEC in 04.
Why are we even talking bout what was "inherited" or what wasn't 7 years ago?
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:15 pm to nycajun
quote:
I only read his stuff because I click through to it on this site without being aware it's a Guilbeau article.
I agree with you completely, but I always check to make sure it's not one of his articles before I read it so I don't waste my time. It would be much more convenient if, at the very least, we were given a warning that it was one of his articles before clicking on it.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:18 pm to tigerinridgeland
quote:Because Saban built LSU on a sustainable model--solid recruiting across the board, especially DB, RB, DL and WR, strong defense and power running game. The OL he left behind has been underrated, too. He won in year four after he had gotten his recruits in place and the leftovers had bought into his process. LSU had also been having success under Saban for the past several years prior to the championship. We had won a SEC championship two years earlier, and were 6-1 the prior season before an injury to the starting QB torpedoed the season. When LSU was "rebuilding" in 2004 we were still competitive in every game except one.
Why? Saban led LSU to its first NC since 1958. Chizik led Auburn to its first since 1957. Saban had 4 losses the following year (2004). Auburn may win 8 or 9 games this year. Not that much difference. Saban got very lucky to get an SEC championship in 2001 with 3 losses. That rarely happens, especially since 1992.
I don't think Chizik is a Saban, but things didn't look that different for Auburn, who has been bringing in great recruiting classes under Chizik and are in a rebuilding year like LSU was in 2004.
There a number of parallels. But neither team, LSU in 2005 when Miles arrived, nor Auburn, under Chizik deserve description as a national championship program. The description by Gilbeau is simply inapt.
Auburn had not competed for even a division title in half a decade and had been hot garbage for two straight years. They bought the best JUCO player in the history of America and happened to have the perfect play-caller in place to maximize his talents. You take Cam off that team, and they lose six games, easy. Now the year after they have been absolutely pounded by the only two really good teams they have faced and, absent a big upset, are looking at a 7-5 regular season. Chizik's recruiting has been very good, too, but we will have to wait another two years to see if he can keep it up at the level Saban had by 2003, and if he can move the ball without Malzahn at the helm. Chizik's personal specialties (defense and especially defensive backs) have been terrible. Having to win 45-40 every week is not a sustainable model for success.
You can't just look at the cold records before and after without considering all the qualitative factors--how did they win their championships.
This post was edited on 11/11/11 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:19 pm to txtiger21
Chicken should put the link there to piss off GG, but make the link broken so he doesn't get any hits.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:23 pm to nycajun
I agree!
Admins - please stop posting Glenn's garbage on the home page.
A dedicated member since 2008
Admins - please stop posting Glenn's garbage on the home page.
A dedicated member since 2008
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:43 pm to LSUnKaty
Absolutely the worst sportswriter that I have ever had the displeasure of reading. Just AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/11/11 at 4:25 pm to filmmaker45
quote:
The other Tiger site I visit regular.
BLASPHEMY!!
Bannage?
Posted on 11/11/11 at 4:56 pm to tigerinridgeland
quote:
Saban led LSU to its first NC since 1958. Chizik led Auburn to its first since 1957. Saban had 4 losses the following year (2004).
Three losses, with two of them being very suspect due to the refs at Auburn and the no-show vs. Iowa. Saban had quit and didn't bother even to try to prepare the team for the bowl game. That's a bad reflection on Saban personally, but not on the state of our program at the time he left.
quote:
I don't think Chizik is a Saban, but things didn't look that different for Auburn, who has been bringing in great recruiting classes under Chizik and are in a rebuilding year like LSU was in 2004.
I think LSU was more solid in 2003 than Auburn in 2010, despite their going 14-0 and our going 13-1. We won that NC on the strength of a strong, talented team across the board, and our program was well stocked and primed to contend for and win championships going forward, which we did from 2005 through 2007, and are again.
Meanwhile, they won theirs essentially on the back of one player on offense and one on defense, and they are back to mediocre a year later without those two players. They'll probably go 7-5, and that they even will do that well is due to the implosion of Tennessee and Florida this year, the inexplicable overconfidence of Mississippi State in their game against Auburn, and the mess that is South Carolina's offense this year.
That said, it's been 7 years since Saban left, so giving him credit for anything that's happening now is silly.
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