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LSU + Alabama in NFL
Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:35 pm
Just swinging by with a quick question for you guys. If you combined all the defensive players on the LSU and Alabama rosters, and made up the only defensive players on an NFL team's roster, where do you think they'd be ranked in total defense in 5 years? I know it's a crazy hypothetical but the amount of NFL talent on those teams is staggering. I'd say top 5 easy, what do you guys think?
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:35 pm to ncg4forsure
they'd be number 1 right now and the next 10 years
easy
easy
Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:53 pm to ncg4forsure
This is similar to a thread idea I had. If you could pick between the LSU/Alabama defensive rosters to create one unit, who would make it?
I feel that it is an interesting question because there are such highly touted players on both teams. Granted I realize some of these guys are better college players than they ever would be in the pros due to being limited physically. However, I feel it is an interesting discussion.
To get back to your main point, I feel that it would be a competitive defense, but not necessarily best ever in the pros. Once again think about a lot of the really good college prospects that never really pan out once they make it to the NFL.
I feel that it is an interesting question because there are such highly touted players on both teams. Granted I realize some of these guys are better college players than they ever would be in the pros due to being limited physically. However, I feel it is an interesting discussion.
To get back to your main point, I feel that it would be a competitive defense, but not necessarily best ever in the pros. Once again think about a lot of the really good college prospects that never really pan out once they make it to the NFL.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:56 pm to ncg4forsure
The secondary and LBers would be pretty legit.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:56 pm to ncg4forsure
Bottom half of the league if consisting only of players from Bama and LSU
Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:59 pm to Bmath
Really?
Come on
Drafted status of the players on both teams doesn't mean they will all pan out.
On both defenses, probably two pro bowlers max
Come on
Drafted status of the players on both teams doesn't mean they will all pan out.
On both defenses, probably two pro bowlers max
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:01 pm to Bmath
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I feel that it would be a competitive defense, but not necessarily best ever in the pros. Once again think about a lot of the really good college prospects that never really pan out once they make it to the NFL.
the truth....that platter of oysters sure looks good!
pound the plainsmen....that makes three.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:02 pm to nicholastiger
Yeah. They aren't competing with players from just this year. They're competing with NFL players from a 10-15 year window.
I'm not saying they lack talent. I'm saying that I don't know if they are going to be better than the best the NFL has to offer.
I'm not saying they lack talent. I'm saying that I don't know if they are going to be better than the best the NFL has to offer.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:03 pm to ncg4forsure
My God who thinks up this dumb shite. So your fantasy team gets players only from this current LSU/Alabama roster........and the rest of NFL gets what they have now, choice of every school from every level minus LSU/BAMA.......Your defense will be the worst by far, by far far far.
Dumb.
Dumb.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:04 pm to ncg4forsure
NFL defenses are made up of the best college players from every school over the last 15 years or so, yet you guys think you could have a competitive defense made up of players from two schools over a 4-5 year window?
I think you underestimate the difference between talent levels in college and the NFL.
I think you underestimate the difference between talent levels in college and the NFL.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:06 pm to BhamTigah
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I think you underestimate the difference between talent levels in college and the NFL.
Safe to say. These college/pro threads are full retard.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:18 pm to ncg4forsure
Realistically everyone on LSU's 2-deep chart in the secondary will play in the NFL. Ditto for Bama's starters in the secondary and their 2-deep at LBer (maybe an exception here and there).
Most of Bama and LSU's 2-deep on the DLine will likely get chances to play on Sundays - but to compare these teenagers and early 20somethings to the full-grown men of the NFL is a little indulgent.
What would happen if you fielded a team composed ONLY of the top 2 rounds of last year's draft? A team that would be young, inexperienced, energetic and maybe even competitive on the occasional Sunday for a couple of years, but otherwise would be getting the crap kicked out of them more weeks than not.
Linemen don't peak in college - they peak at 27 or 28. Linebackers peak at 30, as do most skill players, except maybe RBs. It is the rare non-running back that is ready to play even in the second or third year in the NFL.
Most of Bama and LSU's 2-deep on the DLine will likely get chances to play on Sundays - but to compare these teenagers and early 20somethings to the full-grown men of the NFL is a little indulgent.
What would happen if you fielded a team composed ONLY of the top 2 rounds of last year's draft? A team that would be young, inexperienced, energetic and maybe even competitive on the occasional Sunday for a couple of years, but otherwise would be getting the crap kicked out of them more weeks than not.
Linemen don't peak in college - they peak at 27 or 28. Linebackers peak at 30, as do most skill players, except maybe RBs. It is the rare non-running back that is ready to play even in the second or third year in the NFL.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:51 pm to ncg4forsure
Fair enough. I was thinking with total depth and all from the frosh to the seniors would make up the defense so we don't even really know how good the kids who are sophomores, frosh, and redshirting frosh are who could fill in holes left out by current stars who didn't translate to in the NFL. Assuming the secondaries would be nasty. Would have a great shot at having an awesome Linebacking core. Definitely some great potential NFLers on those DLines as well. I guess I got a little overly excited about it but there definitely aren't two other teams you could combine that would put together a better NFL defense IMO.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 4:58 pm to Ace Midnight
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Realistically everyone on LSU's 2-deep chart in the secondary will play in the NFL. Ditto for Bama's starters in the secondary and their 2-deep at LBer (maybe an exception here and there).
Most of Bama and LSU's 2-deep on the DLine will likely get chances to play on Sundays - but to compare these teenagers and early 20somethings to the full-grown men of the NFL is a little indulgent.
What would happen if you fielded a team composed ONLY of the top 2 rounds of last year's draft? A team that would be young, inexperienced, energetic and maybe even competitive on the occasional Sunday for a couple of years, but otherwise would be getting the crap kicked out of them more weeks than not.
Linemen don't peak in college - they peak at 27 or 28. Linebackers peak at 30, as do most skill players, except maybe RBs. It is the rare non-running back that is ready to play even in the second or third year in the NFL.
I know. That's why I said in 5 years. Give the 22 year olds the chance to mature to 27 and the 19 years a chance to get to 24ish.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 5:05 pm to ncg4forsure
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I know. That's why I said in 5 years.
AND you also said it was a crazy hypothetical. I'm sorry for being so analytical.
I scanned a list of guys who played for both schools and have been in a few years. I'm not sure your hypo is going to turn out like you imagine because, things happen.
Think how surprised we all were when Randall Gay was starting for the Pats - we love all our LSU players (or the real fans do), but I never expected him to earn significant starting time on a Super Bowl team, based on his performance at LSU. I thought of him as a great competitor and "the guy on the other side of Webster" while he was at LSU.
Posted on 10/18/11 at 5:10 pm to ncg4forsure
They would most likely get demolished by good qb's and offenses. Yes both teams have immense talent, but players have to develop once in the league. Then you have to account for all the players that don't pan out. Also the transition from college to the pro's isn't always easy. I think Bama's LB's are going to have lots of trouble in coverage situations, especially against dominant tight ends, which the league is using more than ever
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:49 pm to ncg4forsure
One of the biggest issues with this is the big fish in a little pond scenario. Many of these players are physically gifted at 18 which makes them seem like a man among boys when they play in high school. Look at Anthony "Freak" Johnson. For some of these guys it even carries over throughout college.
However, how often do we see guys that can win the line of scrimmage based on physical prowess, but without real technique? It seems often enough where many of these players are exposed in the combine. They come in as a dominant college player because they are physically gifted, and thus may not have to work as hard in practice. Yet these players don't have the fundamentals to play with elite pro players.
Now I am not saying that all or any of these players are like this, but I do feel that this can often explain why there are so many busts in the draft.
However, how often do we see guys that can win the line of scrimmage based on physical prowess, but without real technique? It seems often enough where many of these players are exposed in the combine. They come in as a dominant college player because they are physically gifted, and thus may not have to work as hard in practice. Yet these players don't have the fundamentals to play with elite pro players.
Now I am not saying that all or any of these players are like this, but I do feel that this can often explain why there are so many busts in the draft.
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