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re: Question for Arkansas older fanbase.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 12:54 am to SunHog
Posted on 9/13/11 at 12:54 am to SunHog
I'm not saying Arkansas has nothing to do with what's going on today. That's impossible. But to act like your AD at the time was able to see the possibility of 16 team conferences in 2011 and that he wanted anything more than a stable conference is laughable.
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Posted on 9/13/11 at 12:57 am to Duzz
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Duzz
Question for Arkansas older fanbase.
Actually I was trying to see what happen with Arkansas and Texas. When did the Schism begin? When did the need to "I'm getting the f--k outta here" occurred? Why for what reason? Was it about money then also or was it about something else? How was Arkansas treated badly? Most importantly. I can barely make out what is being said in the video but I get the gist that it's suppose to mock Arkansas during a Texas v. Ark game. Did you guys beat them at least?
I am not even too worry about super conference I just wanted to know where did the bad blood came from.
I am not old enough to remember an SEC without Arkansas in it and to me it seem they are have always been here to find out they once belong in the same Conference as Texas was surprising. To see TAMU want to joint seems kind of off. Like they wouldn't fit in with the uniqueness of what the SEC is all about but then again maybe this was what adding Arkansas felt like back then too.
Pick up Frank Broyles book. It's all you need for all answers in this department.
Video: Texas is making fun of Arkansas for leaving the SWC for the SEC and they said the SWC will go on as it always had without Arkansas. They failed to tell you only 3 teams who didn't lose fans to pro sports turned larget profits...
Texas, TAMU and Arkansas, after we left it killed it.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 12:59 am to SunHog
Texas is the next Notre Dame. Book it.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:02 am to busey
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busey
Question for Arkansas older fanbase.
I'm not saying Arkansas has nothing to do with what's going on today. That's impossible. But to act like your AD at the time was able to see the possibility of 16 team conferences in 2011 and that he wanted anything more than a stable conference is laughable.
Yes, he saw the possibility of a 16 super conference but that was not the reason for leaving, geeze.
wmr and I have stated Texas, TAMU, Ark and FSU were supposed to head to the SEC, that is what you call a super conference. When in reality only 2 teams went.. Arkansas first then South Carolina. However, it was the beginning of super conferences with a championship game and 12 teams.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:03 am to busey
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busey
Question for Arkansas older fanbase.
Texas is the next Notre Dame. Book it.
So... Baseball, Basketball and all the other sports will play in what conference?
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:03 am to busey
They're in a tough position. I think their network opening turning into a flaming pile of a shite kind of proved it would be hard to sustain as an independent, but they would have to swallow a big ego hit and scrap it to switch conferences. Who knows what the hell they will do, but I know I will have 
ready.
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This also. They take great pride in these sports, especially baseball. They won't just do away with it, and there isn't a reasonable conference for those to affiliate with like ND and the Big East (which doesn't give a shite about football). Another part of the predicament they're in.
ready. EDIT:
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So... Baseball, Basketball and all the other sports will play in what conference?
This also. They take great pride in these sports, especially baseball. They won't just do away with it, and there isn't a reasonable conference for those to affiliate with like ND and the Big East (which doesn't give a shite about football). Another part of the predicament they're in.
This post was edited on 9/13/11 at 1:08 am
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:03 am to SunHog
Now that I think about it some more, I do think Broyles deserves some credit.
I know he has said that he talked to Kramer a few times in the 80s, basically saying "if you expand, we are interested". That may have given Kramer the confidence to go about expanding the SEC.
Obviously they shot for the Texas teams at the same time, but I think Kramer knew Arkansas was a go to the SEC before he ever announced they were looking.
All they needed from that point was to sew up team number 12, and hope for 13 and 14.
Carolina became 12 and that was all that was needed to get the ball rolling.
The Big 12, the 12 team ACC, the B1G and Pac 12 don't happen without the SEC moving to 12 in 1992.
Broyles deserves some credit for it happening the way it did. That's not to say it would not have happened otherwise. But his vision and foresight did help get us to where we are today.
I know he has said that he talked to Kramer a few times in the 80s, basically saying "if you expand, we are interested". That may have given Kramer the confidence to go about expanding the SEC.
Obviously they shot for the Texas teams at the same time, but I think Kramer knew Arkansas was a go to the SEC before he ever announced they were looking.
All they needed from that point was to sew up team number 12, and hope for 13 and 14.
Carolina became 12 and that was all that was needed to get the ball rolling.
The Big 12, the 12 team ACC, the B1G and Pac 12 don't happen without the SEC moving to 12 in 1992.
Broyles deserves some credit for it happening the way it did. That's not to say it would not have happened otherwise. But his vision and foresight did help get us to where we are today.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:05 am to SunHog
I don't know. I'm not implying they'll go indy. Just that their arrogance and head-in-the-sand attitude will relegate them to irrelevance eventually and in 20 years they'll probably be wondering, "where did it all go wrong?", when it's plainly obvious to everyone but Texas.
This post was edited on 9/13/11 at 1:06 am
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:12 am to wmr
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The Big 12, the 12 team ACC, the B1G and Pac 12 don't happen without the SEC moving to 12 in 1992
Exactly, and I think this example shows how people losing their shite about superconferences might be overreacting. The Big 12 was the only immediate reaction, the ACC didnt happen until around 10 years later, and the others didn't happen until this past year.
16 team conferences could absolutely happen, but to expect it to be that way in 4 or 5 years seems a little crazy given history. I think the SEC and PAC sit at 14 and it stops there.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:14 am to busey
@WMR
Since you do remember the last two season Arkansas had with the SWC. What was it like in your first game against the SEC when you guys were brand new? Were you treated like shite? Was it a lot more different then SWC atmosphere? What was your first home game like against an SEC team and what was it like away for your first SEC game? Was it a winning season?
Just curious about that little bit of history.
Since you do remember the last two season Arkansas had with the SWC. What was it like in your first game against the SEC when you guys were brand new? Were you treated like shite? Was it a lot more different then SWC atmosphere? What was your first home game like against an SEC team and what was it like away for your first SEC game? Was it a winning season?
Just curious about that little bit of history.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:16 am to Duzz
One Arky fan posted about his first SEC experience against UGA. It was a good read about how he had never seen football and raw sexuality combined like that before. I forget who posted it, though.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:20 am to busey
quote:
busey
Question for Arkansas older fanbase.
I don't know. I'm not implying they'll go indy. Just that their arrogance and head-in-the-sand attitude will relegate them to irrelevance eventually and in 20 years they'll probably be wondering, "where did it all go wrong?", when it's plainly obvious to everyone but Texas.
Texas is very silent and that is not their character I think they already realized what they've done by over playing their hand.
They literally had the entire state of Texas in one conference and dominated that conference..
I sure as heck do not feel sorry for them.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:24 am to busey
quote:
busey
Question for Arkansas older fanbase.
One Arky fan posted about his first SEC experience against UGA. It was a good read about how he had never seen football and raw sexuality combined like that before. I forget who posted it, though.
I'm trying to find the Article how the entire SEC tournament was stunned listening to the first Hog Call in the 1992 SEC Basketball tournament.
It was something they have never seen before.. Well, LSU and Ole Miss had seen it lots but not everyone else.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:29 am to SunHog
The SEC's new pigs on the block made a glamorous entrance into the arena—"we bad" walking, stereo headphones squawking, etc. Such a huge roar emerged from the crowd that one would have surmised that somebody had blocked a punt. "I thought it was a pretty lady," said Pitino. Suddenly Hog partisans were everywhere, squealing their obligatory Pig Sooeys and showing veteran SEC hands what real basketball rooters sound like.
Sports Illustrated 1992.
LINK
Sports Illustrated 1992.
LINK
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:33 am to SunHog
When Birmingham last hosted the tournament, in 1985, there were a shameful 2,300 no-shows for the championship game between Alabama and Auburn. Shoot, that many Razorbackers will squeeze theirownselves into a U-Haul trailer. And last week 8,000 Arkansas fans invaded Birmingham—the arena's capacity is 16,556—some having gone to the extreme of joining booster clubs at Ole Miss and Mississippi State just to get tournament tickets. Others were there without hotel rooms. Never fear. The Arkansas Alumni Association bought out the entire Crown Sterling Suites hotel for Hog supporters. "When we hear those folks calling the hogs, I can't tell you what a feeling that is," Razorback coach Nolan Richardson said Friday. "Better watch out. By the end of this thing, we'll have all the tickets."
Gosh.. We were so good back then... Come on Mike A.
Gosh.. We were so good back then... Come on Mike A.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:35 am to SunHog
If recruiting keeps going the way it's going for both squads, there could be some epic A&M-Arkansas basketball games in the near future.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:37 am to WoodlandsAg07
SEC basketball is on the rise. Bama is starting to put solid squads together, too.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:43 am to busey
I know Grant is a big time name amongst the younger coaches. LSU and MSU have been good in the past as well, and I think we help add balance in the West for basketball. We always played Kansas tough for what we had to work with, I hope we do the same with Kentucky. At the very least both fanbases can bond over Gillispie drinking tales.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:45 am to WoodlandsAg07
The last basketball game I went to was Gillespie's second game which we lost to Gardner Webb by almost 20.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 1:54 am to busey
I remember that game and laughing at that drunk a-hole's misery. He used to scam real hard at some of the college bars here but our fanbase managed to keep it quiet because we had never really tasted sustained success in basketball. I was secretely glad he met his demise later on, even though it meant a few years of suffering for y'all. He's already causing typical drunken mayhem at TTech.
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