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can SEC back away from A&M and save face?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:37 am
I don't think Aggie is worth it. Yes they add new markets, but I don't think it's as big as the longhorns and there's no promise of more revenue money from tv and radio per school and Aggie is not a football powerhouse. Nebreska which went to the big ten is the better tv draw and national draw than Aggie.
It appears that the SEC has set itself up to either take A&M or look like fools. I doubt Baylor or Iowa State will drop their lawsuits in the near-term so that could be an out for the SEC.
There must be a way out of this mess.
It appears that the SEC has set itself up to either take A&M or look like fools. I doubt Baylor or Iowa State will drop their lawsuits in the near-term so that could be an out for the SEC.
There must be a way out of this mess.
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Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:40 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Nebreska which went to the big ten is the better tv draw and national draw than Aggie.
Had me till this
having a more storied program doesn't necessarily mean a better TV market. But yes the SEC could look fine, they have the "we don't want to be sued" card. But the SEC would be giving away a valuable addition.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 10:42 am
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:43 am to CassiusClay
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Had me till this having a more storied program doesn't necessarily mean a better TV market.
But yes the SEC could look fine, they have "we don't want to be sued card." But the SEC would be giving away a valuable addition.
Nebraska is the better national draw. There's no doubt about that which means better tv ratings and more money. Nebraska playing Purdue on ESPN for example gets better ratings than Aggie v. Kansas State.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 11:31 am to Ralph_Wiggum
It was incredibly quiet last week, which means a lot was going on behind the scenes. Just because some idiot isn't tweeting about an "announcement" does not mean the deal is dead. A&M and SEC are simply waiting to see if the Big-12 stays together or if teams leave for the PAC. There is a lot of exit fees and public opinion on the poker table right now...
Posted on 9/12/11 at 11:34 am to Ralph_Wiggum
No doubt the Texas markets have value but.....
#1 It isn't like the SEC got crap ratings in Houston or Dallas before this season. We aren't starting from zero here. I think A&M would mean more to the Pac than the SEC because there is more room for a boost in televised Pac games in Texas.
#2 How much does A&M really move the meter? Of course games like A&M vs Bama will get huge ratings but A&M games against Kentucky, Vandy, Ole miss, etc won't do as well in Houston or Dallas as when Texas plays Iowa State.....not even close.
#1 It isn't like the SEC got crap ratings in Houston or Dallas before this season. We aren't starting from zero here. I think A&M would mean more to the Pac than the SEC because there is more room for a boost in televised Pac games in Texas.
#2 How much does A&M really move the meter? Of course games like A&M vs Bama will get huge ratings but A&M games against Kentucky, Vandy, Ole miss, etc won't do as well in Houston or Dallas as when Texas plays Iowa State.....not even close.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 11:46 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Nebraska is the better national draw
in the 90's perhaps, but not anymore. NU has a large fan base, but A&M has a larger one. You are confussing football sucess with market size (not surprising that someone with VI Lenin as an avatar does not understand markets and how they work)
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better tv ratings and more money. Nebraska playing Purdue on ESPN for example gets better ratings than Aggie v. Kansas State
again you don't understand how these things work. First of all the TV contracts are signed for multiple years in advance and they do not get paid on a per rating point basis. The difference if any btwn a NU v PU game and A&M v KSU would be miniscule and would depend on who is ranked where, and the time the game is played.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 11:54 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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I think A&M would mean more to the Pac than the SEC because there is more room for a boost in televised Pac games in Texas.
Texas ratings for SEC games currently are no doubt higher than Texas rating for Pac 12 games. That doesn't mean that A&M won't help the ratings or at least the negotiations for TV contracts. The SEC can not sit back and let the Pac 12 and B1G get better deals and then pilfer teams from the ACC that are in markets already covered by the SEC. Adding A&M brings a helluva lot more than adding FSU or Clemson.
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How much does A&M really move the meter? Of course games like A&M vs Bama will get huge ratings but A&M games against Kentucky, Vandy, Ole miss, etc won't do as well in Houston or Dallas as when Texas plays Iowa State.....not even close.
another typical we're not arrogant, we're just better than you Teasip comment.
A lot of it depends on how well the teams are doing. A top 10 A&M team vs UK or OM will get better ratings than a 5-7 UT team vs Iowa State cochise. All things being equal, the A&M game would still be close if not better than the UT game in Houston because, while there are almost as many Aggies as Teasips in Texas, there are prolly a lot more OM fans than ISU. Plus all the other SEC fans.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 12:08 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Yes they add new markets, but I don't think it's as big as the longhorns and there's no promise of more revenue money from tv and radio per school and Aggie is not a football powerhouse
While yes UT is the bigger market TAMU is no slouch...they crank out 40-50000 new alumni each year. That is a huge amount and they are like a cult. They will follow the team through good or bad. The tv viewership, while not UT, is still a significant amount. Expansion is going down with or without the SEC, and texas is too big of a state in an area that could kinda sorta be within the traditional SEC. It is an opportunity that must be taken for the good of the conferance. UT is too arrogant TTU Baylor suck and Rice and SMU are too small. Aggie fits the best out of the texas schools.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 12:24 pm to Adam Banks
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they crank out 40-50000 new alumni each year.
Just a wee bit high.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 12:28 pm to Indiana Tiger
I think the total enrollment is about 50,000.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 12:29 pm to Sidewinder
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I think the total enrollment is about 50,000
That's my point.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 12:30 pm to Adam Banks
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While yes UT is the bigger market TAMU is no slouch...they crank out 40-50000 new alumni each year. That is a huge amount and they are like a cult.
It isn't just about the # of students or alumni. Hell, UCF is one of the biggest schools in the country. Texas has 25 million people, most of which didn't attend Texas or A&M.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 12:46 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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UCF is one of the biggest schools in the country
N Texas has (or did a few years ago) a larger enrollment than LSU. Unlike A&M, NTU and UCF do not have football history. You may convince yourself that A&M is as relvant as Army with your constant quips about how long ago their lone NC was. They have historically been a top 20 program while the UCF's of the world have not.
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has 25 million people, most of which didn't attend Texas or A&M
the highest rated sporting event every year is the Super Bowl and about half the country does not watch. A&M has a large fanbase in a huge state. I'm guessing people like Mike Slive understand how these things work better than you.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 1:08 pm to Indiana Tiger
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I think the total enrollment is about 50,000
That's my point.
Im an idiot...10000+ alumni every year 50000 enrollment...either way they have a crapload of people with significant ties to the universityPosted on 9/12/11 at 1:15 pm to Adam Banks
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Im an idiot...10000+ alumni every year 50000 enrollment...either way they have a crapload of people with significant ties to the university
There's no proof that adding Aggie will significantly boost every SEC school's bottom line. Plus the legal mess of this isn't worthy of the SEC. When Nebreska left for the big ten there was none of this.
It's not the job of the SEC to boost Aggie self-esteem. Sure aggie is like the spurned lover of Texas but why should the SEC be the rebound guy. What proof do we have that Aggie won't leave the SEC for something they perceive as better in the future?
I don't get the same vibes from Aggie as one got when Arkie and SC joined the SEC and when Penn State and Nebraska joined the big ten.
Aggie needs to come to her senses and go back to the big 12 and we can all pretend this never happened. Aggie wants a duel and aggie will end up like Alexander Hamilton with blood on the hands of the SEC. Just say no to aggie.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:31 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but A&M games against Kentucky, Vandy, Ole miss, etc won't do as well in Houston or Dallas
There are a lot of SEC alums in those cities and that includes the schools listed (especially Houston for UK). How many Iowa State alums are there?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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There's no proof that adding Aggie will significantly boost every SEC school's bottom line. Plus the legal mess of this isn't worthy of the SEC. When Nebreska left for the big ten there was none of this.
There's definite proof that viewership brings value to tv contracts. With your NU point, that just shows how absurd the situation is. There's no legal case that will hold up, and it's just mere threat right now. We'll be settled in a matter of a few weeks.
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It's not the job of the SEC to boost Aggie self-esteem. Sure aggie is like the spurned lover of Texas but why should the SEC be the rebound guy. What proof do we have that Aggie won't leave the SEC for something they perceive as better in the future?
I'll be nice, since you're simply ignorant. A&M loves the SEC. Culturally it's a perfect fit, we have no natural connections with big12 schools besides ut and maybe tech.
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I don't get the same vibes from Aggie as one got when Arkie and SC joined the SEC and when Penn State and Nebraska joined the big ten.
Sorry your sense of reality is off-base.
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Aggie needs to come to her senses and go back to the big 12 and we can all pretend this never happened. Aggie wants a duel and aggie will end up like Alexander Hamilton with blood on the hands of the SEC. Just say no to aggie.
We won't have anything to do with the big12 after this season. Seriously educate yourself about A&M- at least gain some sort of educated influence and knowledge about us from credible media. Your mom isn't always right
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:41 pm to CassiusClay
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I'll be nice, since you're simply ignorant. A&M loves the SEC. Culturally it's a perfect fit, we have no natural connections with big12 schools besides ut and maybe tech.
I hate to say it but you forgot that little school 90 miles North that we have shared the same conference with since 1915.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:43 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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#2 How much does A&M really move the meter? Of course games like A&M vs Bama will get huge ratings but A&M games against Kentucky, Vandy, Ole miss, etc won't do as well in Houston or Dallas as when Texas plays Iowa State.....not even close.
Ahh, Dr. Drunk's FUTEXAS arrogance emerges again!!!
Posted on 9/12/11 at 3:45 pm to Dr RC
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I hate to say it but you forgot that little school 90 miles North that we have shared the same conference with since 1915.
I'm a college-student. All I've known them as is the token easy win. Historically maybe to old army folks. No one at A&M could care less about baylor. Seriously, they're as irrelevant as you can be with us...iowa state of the south.
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Drunkenstein
Understand that an integral part of this is infact growth of our brand. Nationally, perception will change overtime. Regardless if we are good or not, we'll become the Texas school in the SEC instead of "that other big Texas school."
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 3:52 pm
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