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the size differential in the trenches.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 am
I am starting to see more posts regurgitating the same ole meme about SEC size, especially in the trenches. I am going to compare players in the two deep on each team. I will take the weight from both team's AD site. Let's look at actual facts.
Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):
Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)
Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).
*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)
Analysis Oregon's top 8 goes an average of 301.625 while LSU's goes an average of 314. There is definitely a size advantage for LSU when comparing the two units. However, it's by 12.375 pounds per man, not by 30 pounds as reported on this site. Remember, Oregon utilizes a zone blocking scheme that favors lateral movement. Our interior against Auburn was having problems staying above 285 (all three of them). Our interior this year is bigger and that should help.
Dline
WDE: Jordan (240)/Hanna (240), Montomery (245)/ Mingo (240)
NT: Heimuli (321)/Remington (286), Brockers (310)/Logan (287)
DT: Keliikipi (300)/Ebert (285), Johnson (306)/Downs (287)
SDE: Turner (265)/Hart (283), Adams (255)/Edwards (265)
Analysis Oregon's two deep averages 277.5 pounds and LSU's 274.375. So, when comparing the counterpart oline the difference between what our dline face and your dline faces is 10.25 pounds (this was derived from taking the size differential of 12.375 of the olines and the differential of the dlines -2.125 = 10.25). What does this mean? Both dlines will be smaller than the opposing oline (which is the nature of the beast) but Oregon's by 10.25 pounds per man.
Part of the difference here is due to scheme. Oregon uses a spread offense and 3-4 base defense. The 240 pound WDE are going to be standing up 75% of the time as an OLB. Likewise, you will probably never see Oregon's oline average 314 pounds.
As far as the SEC meme goes, we face plenty of offensive lines that average 314. This is nothing unusual for Oregon. We are typically "undersized" due to scheme. This is much like Florida has been in recent years.
Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):
Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)
Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).
*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)
Analysis Oregon's top 8 goes an average of 301.625 while LSU's goes an average of 314. There is definitely a size advantage for LSU when comparing the two units. However, it's by 12.375 pounds per man, not by 30 pounds as reported on this site. Remember, Oregon utilizes a zone blocking scheme that favors lateral movement. Our interior against Auburn was having problems staying above 285 (all three of them). Our interior this year is bigger and that should help.
Dline
WDE: Jordan (240)/Hanna (240), Montomery (245)/ Mingo (240)
NT: Heimuli (321)/Remington (286), Brockers (310)/Logan (287)
DT: Keliikipi (300)/Ebert (285), Johnson (306)/Downs (287)
SDE: Turner (265)/Hart (283), Adams (255)/Edwards (265)
Analysis Oregon's two deep averages 277.5 pounds and LSU's 274.375. So, when comparing the counterpart oline the difference between what our dline face and your dline faces is 10.25 pounds (this was derived from taking the size differential of 12.375 of the olines and the differential of the dlines -2.125 = 10.25). What does this mean? Both dlines will be smaller than the opposing oline (which is the nature of the beast) but Oregon's by 10.25 pounds per man.
Part of the difference here is due to scheme. Oregon uses a spread offense and 3-4 base defense. The 240 pound WDE are going to be standing up 75% of the time as an OLB. Likewise, you will probably never see Oregon's oline average 314 pounds.
As far as the SEC meme goes, we face plenty of offensive lines that average 314. This is nothing unusual for Oregon. We are typically "undersized" due to scheme. This is much like Florida has been in recent years.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:47 am to bisonduck
Greetings from Asheville, NC - Beer City, USA.
Geaux Tigers.
Geaux Tigers.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:49 am to bisonduck
305 average across the Oregon OL.
316 average across the LSU OL. (Dwor out, La'el in)
Who cares about DL? Ours is wayyyy better than yours. If you guys run a 3-4 base and it's close in size to ours.. ouch
316 average across the LSU OL. (Dwor out, La'el in)
Who cares about DL? Ours is wayyyy better than yours. If you guys run a 3-4 base and it's close in size to ours.. ouch
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:50 am to bisonduck
Bison, we all know the heights/weights put up on the football program sites are inflated. I.can guarantee when our players are up against yours on the field, you will be able to see the size difference.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:53 am to bisonduck
it isn't just the size, it is the speed that goes with the size. barring a bunch of turnovers by LSU, it will be the trenches that wins the game for LSU.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:54 am to bisonduck
Dworaczyk won't play(might be Collins,there), and Mingo is a SDE...he's just 240 but watch for him.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:55 am to bisonduck
Freshman center taking his first ever snaps in college against LSU.
That might be interesting.
That might be interesting.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:01 pm to bisonduck
quote:
Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):
Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)
Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).
*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)
:simmons2:
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:08 pm to bisonduck
bottom line - nobody makes'em bigger and faster than those big'ol delta boys your o-line will be trying to block
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:10 pm to bisonduck
Glad you cleared that up for us.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:10 pm to bisonduck
Size is one thing.
Size and quickness, your in trouble.
Should be a good game, wish it was tonight.
Size and quickness, your in trouble.
Should be a good game, wish it was tonight.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:38 pm to bisonduck
ONCE AGAIN>>>
you compare our OL to your OL, and our DL to your DL.
Our OL outweighs your DL (We play O v D around here) by around 37 lbs. Yours outweighs our D by 26.
We are a bit bigger.
But it is a dumb, meaningless debate. I am just tired of seeing all opponents of ours making matchup predictions off of like units...not the units they will be facing on the field.
you compare our OL to your OL, and our DL to your DL.
Our OL outweighs your DL (We play O v D around here) by around 37 lbs. Yours outweighs our D by 26.
We are a bit bigger.
But it is a dumb, meaningless debate. I am just tired of seeing all opponents of ours making matchup predictions off of like units...not the units they will be facing on the field.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:21 pm to bisonduck
yeah its the "scheme" alright.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:26 pm to bisonduck
The biggest difference is sec players are actually strong and fast; not just 1. LSU will own the trenches.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:49 pm to bisonduck
I think you might be overthinking this weight thing. There will be a lot of other facts at play here. Example--the following is from the Oregon paper Registar-Guard a couple of days ago:
"Offensive line coach Steve Greatwood answered one of Oregon’s biggest questions entering the 2011 season when he said after Thursday’s final workout of fall camp that redshirt freshman Hroniss Grasu had won the job to start at center.
Grasu will have to do it against a stout defensive front from the mighty Southeastern Conference
It’s a daunting challenge for anyone — and especially so for a redshirt freshman who has never played a down of college football"
This could be a very long night for Mr. Grasu, me thinks. I'm sure the D-line will be licking their chops!!
"Offensive line coach Steve Greatwood answered one of Oregon’s biggest questions entering the 2011 season when he said after Thursday’s final workout of fall camp that redshirt freshman Hroniss Grasu had won the job to start at center.
Grasu will have to do it against a stout defensive front from the mighty Southeastern Conference
It’s a daunting challenge for anyone — and especially so for a redshirt freshman who has never played a down of college football"
This could be a very long night for Mr. Grasu, me thinks. I'm sure the D-line will be licking their chops!!
Posted on 8/28/11 at 2:23 pm to bisonduck
We can expect alot of chop-blocking from the Ducks is what your saying.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:08 pm to bisonduck
5 national titles in a row meme
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