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the size differential in the trenches.

Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 am
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 am
I am starting to see more posts regurgitating the same ole meme about SEC size, especially in the trenches. I am going to compare players in the two deep on each team. I will take the weight from both team's AD site. Let's look at actual facts.

Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):

Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)

Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).

*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)

Analysis Oregon's top 8 goes an average of 301.625 while LSU's goes an average of 314. There is definitely a size advantage for LSU when comparing the two units. However, it's by 12.375 pounds per man, not by 30 pounds as reported on this site. Remember, Oregon utilizes a zone blocking scheme that favors lateral movement. Our interior against Auburn was having problems staying above 285 (all three of them). Our interior this year is bigger and that should help.

Dline

WDE: Jordan (240)/Hanna (240), Montomery (245)/ Mingo (240)
NT: Heimuli (321)/Remington (286), Brockers (310)/Logan (287)
DT: Keliikipi (300)/Ebert (285), Johnson (306)/Downs (287)
SDE: Turner (265)/Hart (283), Adams (255)/Edwards (265)

Analysis Oregon's two deep averages 277.5 pounds and LSU's 274.375. So, when comparing the counterpart oline the difference between what our dline face and your dline faces is 10.25 pounds (this was derived from taking the size differential of 12.375 of the olines and the differential of the dlines -2.125 = 10.25). What does this mean? Both dlines will be smaller than the opposing oline (which is the nature of the beast) but Oregon's by 10.25 pounds per man.

Part of the difference here is due to scheme. Oregon uses a spread offense and 3-4 base defense. The 240 pound WDE are going to be standing up 75% of the time as an OLB. Likewise, you will probably never see Oregon's oline average 314 pounds.

As far as the SEC meme goes, we face plenty of offensive lines that average 314. This is nothing unusual for Oregon. We are typically "undersized" due to scheme. This is much like Florida has been in recent years.











Posted by sertorius
Third Plebeian
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:47 am to
Greetings from Asheville, NC - Beer City, USA.

Geaux Tigers.

Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143616 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:47 am to
ok.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:48 am to
yeah its the scheme
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:49 am to
305 average across the Oregon OL.
316 average across the LSU OL. (Dwor out, La'el in)

Who cares about DL? Ours is wayyyy better than yours. If you guys run a 3-4 base and it's close in size to ours.. ouch
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 11:50 am
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:50 am to
Bison, we all know the heights/weights put up on the football program sites are inflated. I.can guarantee when our players are up against yours on the field, you will be able to see the size difference.
Posted by PurpleGoldTiger
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Mar 2010
4009 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:52 am to
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:53 am to
it isn't just the size, it is the speed that goes with the size. barring a bunch of turnovers by LSU, it will be the trenches that wins the game for LSU.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62502 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:54 am to
Dworaczyk won't play(might be Collins,there), and Mingo is a SDE...he's just 240 but watch for him.
Posted by NorfolkVATiger
Guam
Member since Nov 2005
2786 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:55 am to
Freshman center taking his first ever snaps in college against LSU.

That might be interesting.
Posted by DownSouthTiger
downsouth
Member since Jan 2005
2551 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Oline from left to right (oregon player, lsu, player):

Tackle: Weem (302), Faulk (325)
Guard: Clanton (300), Dworaczyk (301)
Center: Grasu (293*), Lonergan (305)
Guard: York (292), Blackwell (290)
Tackle: Asper (325), Hurst (340)

Key backups: Golpashin (275)/Cody (301)/Benyard (325), Williford (327)/Herbert (304)/Collins (320).

*Grasu's weight was updatd by Adam Jude in yesterday's interview (goducks showing 291)

:simmons2:
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:08 pm to
bottom line - nobody makes'em bigger and faster than those big'ol delta boys your o-line will be trying to block
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9362 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:10 pm to
Glad you cleared that up for us.
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
15876 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:10 pm to
Size is one thing.
Size and quickness, your in trouble.
Should be a good game, wish it was tonight.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56485 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 12:38 pm to
ONCE AGAIN>>>

you compare our OL to your OL, and our DL to your DL.

Our OL outweighs your DL (We play O v D around here) by around 37 lbs. Yours outweighs our D by 26.

We are a bit bigger.

But it is a dumb, meaningless debate. I am just tired of seeing all opponents of ours making matchup predictions off of like units...not the units they will be facing on the field.
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43894 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:21 pm to
yeah its the "scheme" alright.
Posted by jdg91878
Do overs+Opinion poll politics =MNC
Member since Oct 2010
3742 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:26 pm to
The biggest difference is sec players are actually strong and fast; not just 1. LSU will own the trenches.
Posted by ianfson1
Houston
Member since Aug 2009
891 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 1:49 pm to
I think you might be overthinking this weight thing. There will be a lot of other facts at play here. Example--the following is from the Oregon paper Registar-Guard a couple of days ago:

"Offensive line coach Steve Greatwood answered one of Oregon’s biggest questions entering the 2011 season when he said after Thursday’s final workout of fall camp that redshirt freshman Hroniss Grasu had won the job to start at center.

Grasu will have to do it against a stout defensive front from the mighty Southeastern Conference
It’s a daunting challenge for anyone — and especially so for a redshirt freshman who has never played a down of college football"

This could be a very long night for Mr. Grasu, me thinks. I'm sure the D-line will be licking their chops!!
Posted by FightinTiga
Pumpkin Center
Member since Feb 2009
20745 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 2:23 pm to
We can expect alot of chop-blocking from the Ducks is what your saying.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81263 posts
Posted on 8/28/11 at 3:08 pm to
5 national titles in a row meme

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