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Assuming it's only A&M and FSU, how do you do the sked/rotation?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:19 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:19 am
A) Eight games, one permanent opponent from the opposite division, six rotating home/away opponents from opposite division. That is...
Example: LSU
2012: Kentucky
2013: @ Kentucky
2014: Georgia
2015: @ Georgia
2016: South Carolina
2017: @ South Carolina
2018: Tennessee
2019: @ Tennessee
2020: Florida State
2021: @ Florida State
2022: Vanderbilt
2023: @ Vanderbilt
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B) Eight games, one permanent opponent from the opposite division, six rotating opponents rotating out each year.
Example: LSU
2012: Kentucky
2013: @ Georgia
2014: South Carolina
2015: @ Tennessee
2016: Florida State
2017: @ Vanderbilt
2018: Georgia
2019: @ Kentucky
2020: Tennessee
2021: @ South Carolina
2022: Vanderbilt
2023: @ Florida State
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C) Nine games, one permanent opponent from the opposite division, two rotating games in the current style.
2012: Kentucky, @ Georgia
2013: Georgia, @ South Carolina
2014: South Carolina, @ Tennessee
2015: Tennessee, @ Florida State
2016: Florida State, @ Vanderbilt
2017: Vanderbilt, @ Kentucky
I prefer C, then B, then A.
Example: LSU
2012: Kentucky
2013: @ Kentucky
2014: Georgia
2015: @ Georgia
2016: South Carolina
2017: @ South Carolina
2018: Tennessee
2019: @ Tennessee
2020: Florida State
2021: @ Florida State
2022: Vanderbilt
2023: @ Vanderbilt
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B) Eight games, one permanent opponent from the opposite division, six rotating opponents rotating out each year.
Example: LSU
2012: Kentucky
2013: @ Georgia
2014: South Carolina
2015: @ Tennessee
2016: Florida State
2017: @ Vanderbilt
2018: Georgia
2019: @ Kentucky
2020: Tennessee
2021: @ South Carolina
2022: Vanderbilt
2023: @ Florida State
_________________________________
C) Nine games, one permanent opponent from the opposite division, two rotating games in the current style.
2012: Kentucky, @ Georgia
2013: Georgia, @ South Carolina
2014: South Carolina, @ Tennessee
2015: Tennessee, @ Florida State
2016: Florida State, @ Vanderbilt
2017: Vanderbilt, @ Kentucky
I prefer C, then B, then A.
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:22 am to xiv
The SEC just got that much tougher, that's all I can say..
FSU is on the way back to Elite status
Georgia is not going to stay down
UF is a wait an see under Muschamp
A & M will be just like Arkansas....a tough out
FSU is on the way back to Elite status
Georgia is not going to stay down
UF is a wait an see under Muschamp
A & M will be just like Arkansas....a tough out
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:25 am to xiv
I agree with option C. We will just have to drop one of those crap games with going to a 9 game SEC schedule.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:32 am to Cabby
the only problem with a 9 game conference schedule is a lower percentage of SEC teams going to bowls... similar to PAC12
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:46 am to xiv
If you go to 14, it's time to drop the permanent opponent. With 12 teams, 8 games, and a permanent opponent, it takes 5 years to complete a home and home with the entire conf. With 14 teams, 9 games, and a permanent opponent, it takes 6 years. This is too long imo. 14 teams, 9 games, and no permanent opponent takes just under 5, which is about right. A 5 year player should have the opportunity to see as many venues as possible. If you add FSU as one of the teams, we would be playing in FL only slightly less.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:52 am to baytiger
quote:We'll see. A&M will still play Texas; SC will still play Clemson; Georgia will still play GT; Kentucky will still play Louisville. Those are the only constant OOC games that could end up in losses any given year. What we're bound to see now is fewer SEC teams scheduling tough OOC opponents. Arkansas will schedule none; they will probably schedule two cupcakes and Tulsa in Fayetteville so they can have "enough" games in Fayetteville; LSU will at best schedule an occasional home/away with the likes of Arizona again--really mediocre BCS schools. Stuff like that.
the only problem with a 9 game conference schedule is a lower percentage of SEC teams going to bowls... similar to PAC12
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:57 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:
If you go to 14, it's time to drop the permanent opponent.
This. You could play every team in the conference in a four year period, and travel to everyone in a seven year timeframe.
2012: @ Florida, Kentucky
2013: @ Tennessee, Florida St.
2014: @ Georgia, Vanderbilt
2015: @ South Carolina, Florida
2016: @ Kentucky, Tennessee
2017: @ Florida St., Georgia
2018: @ Vanderbilt, South Carolina
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:00 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:Not a viable option on account of Alabama/Tennessee and Auburn/Georgia. Those are important games to the conference, and whether or not we agree with it, they will be respected and protected.
If you go to 14, it's time to drop the permanent opponent.
quote:For decades, it took eight years to play the whole conference.
it takes 6 years. This is too long imo.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:06 am to bigjuice56
quote:
This. You could play every team in the conference in a four year period, and travel to everyone in a seven year timeframe.
2012: @ Florida, Kentucky
2013: @ Tennessee, Florida St.
2014: @ Georgia, Vanderbilt
2015: @ South Carolina, Florida
2016: @ Kentucky, Tennessee
2017: @ Florida St., Georgia
2018: @ Vanderbilt, South Carolina
That's based on an 8 game schedule. You speed it up with 9, which I think is also necessary.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:17 am to xiv
quote:
Not a viable option on account of Alabama/Tennessee and Auburn/Georgia. Those are important games to the conference, and whether or not we agree with it, they will be respected and protected.
They are important to the schools in the specific games, not to the conference. They don't really generate much interest beyond those schools unless both teams are competing for post season honors. Let's compromise and see how important those games are. If A and B want to be permanent opponents, then if A beats B and B is not ranked in the top 20 (or vice versa), then A will accept a half game loss in conference standings. Let's see how important that game is.
quote:
For decades, it took eight years to play the whole conference
For centuries slavery was acceptable. What does that past mistake have to do with doing what's right.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:21 am to Indiana Tiger
You have an "interesting" way of looking at these things, but you and I both know that the permanent opposite-division opponent is staying. Any discussion that involves eliminating it just isn't worth discussing.
Here's one thing that I'd like the SEC to petition against: The NCAA's rule on CCG's states that the conference has to have divisions that play round-robins, and the champions of each division play for the title. I wonder what would happen if the SEC petitioned to waive that rule and eliminate divisions. Go with five permanent opponents and three or four rotating games, and have the top two teams duke it out in Atlanta.
Alabama - AU TN MSU VU LSU
Arkansas - A&M LSU KY OM TN
Auburn - AL GA FL MSU FSU
Florida - GA AU FSU SC VU
Florida State - FL SC GA AU A&M
Georgia - AU FL SC FSU KY
Kentucky - TN VU AR GA SC
Louisiana State - OM MSU AL AR A&M
Mississippi - MSU LSU VU TN AR
Mississippi State - OM LSU AL AU A&M
South Carolina - GA FSU FL KY A&M
Tennessee - VU KY AL OM AR
Texas A&M - AR LSU MSU FSU SC
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM AL FL
Here's one thing that I'd like the SEC to petition against: The NCAA's rule on CCG's states that the conference has to have divisions that play round-robins, and the champions of each division play for the title. I wonder what would happen if the SEC petitioned to waive that rule and eliminate divisions. Go with five permanent opponents and three or four rotating games, and have the top two teams duke it out in Atlanta.
Alabama - AU TN MSU VU LSU
Arkansas - A&M LSU KY OM TN
Auburn - AL GA FL MSU FSU
Florida - GA AU FSU SC VU
Florida State - FL SC GA AU A&M
Georgia - AU FL SC FSU KY
Kentucky - TN VU AR GA SC
Louisiana State - OM MSU AL AR A&M
Mississippi - MSU LSU VU TN AR
Mississippi State - OM LSU AL AU A&M
South Carolina - GA FSU FL KY A&M
Tennessee - VU KY AL OM AR
Texas A&M - AR LSU MSU FSU SC
Vanderbilt - TN KY OM AL FL
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 9:25 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:27 am to xiv
quote:
but you and I both know that the permanent opposite-division opponent is staying.
I think this is true in the near term, but I do think their time is limited. Another alternative would be to schedule them as a sort of OOC game that doesn't count in the standings in the years that they don't play. Similar things have been done in the past I believe.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:30 am to Indiana Tiger
quote:Not with games this big. One is the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry, and the other pits the SEC's two best historic programs. I'm telling you, they're not going anywhere. Our grandkids will be dead before those games are touched.
I think this is true in the near term, but I do think their time is limited. Another alternative would be to schedule them as a sort of OOC game that doesn't count in the standings in the years that they don't play. Similar things have been done in the past I believe.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:06 am to xiv
The Kansas-Nebraska series was the longest uninterrupted rivalry in college football until Nebraska bolted to the Big 10. Apparently money is more important than tradition.
Also, if I was a coach, I'd want to schedule the opposite division teams in back to back years( home one year and away the next). That way I would have current information as opposed to playing every four years.
Also, if I was a coach, I'd want to schedule the opposite division teams in back to back years( home one year and away the next). That way I would have current information as opposed to playing every four years.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:11 am to xiv
quote:
A) Eight games, one permanent opponent from the opposite division, six rotating home/away opponents from opposite division.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:17 am to DaRobber
quote:Not comparable to Bama/UT and AU/UGA. Not even close. There was never a day when Nebraska or any Big 8 team would have EVER turned down a Big Ten invite.
The Kansas-Nebraska series was the longest uninterrupted rivalry in college football
Way different situations.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:43 am to xiv
quote:
Not comparable to Bama/UT and AU/UGA. Not even close.
True, but OU/NU was comparable...very comparable. And they split that up where they only met twice every four years when the Big 12 came along.
Like you said, they're going to protect those games, which I don't have a problem with. But they have to have a way of rotating the others, otherwise you're left with essentially two separate conferences that agree to meet in a playoff game at season's end to determine the BCS reresentative. I like your version where they don't play in back to back years...at least this way, they do meet fairly often.
My ideal situation...make it a true rotation...the years the rivalry games don't play, play non-conference. Texas-OU played for years when they were in different conferences. I know it will never happen, but one can hope.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:47 am to Obi-Wan Tiger
quote:Good point.
True, but OU/NU was comparable...very comparable. And they split that up where they only met twice every four years when the Big 12 came along.
quote:+1
I like your version where they don't play in back to back years...at least this way, they do meet fairly often.
quote:I suspect that by the end of the decade, the season will be expanded to 14 games and 10 conference games. If that happens, problem solved.
My ideal situation...make it a true rotation...the years the rivalry games don't play, play non-conference. Texas-OU played for years when they were in different conferences. I know it will never happen, but one can hope.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 11:07 am to xiv
All I know is if next year we have to play 9 sec games and Texas we may only win 2 games.
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