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Posted on 7/29/11 at 6:09 am to EastForkTiger
You are embarrassed because LSU has won 62 games in 6 years?
I'm embarrassed for you.
I'm embarrassed for you.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:11 am to GA Tiger
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Did the Bama win last year convert Miles skeptics?
Resonable skeptics, yes. Negatigers, never.
This is a pretty narrowminded and oversimplified analysis of the coaching job Miles did in 2011. LSU finished 11-2; was in position to play for a title; and had a shot to play in the Sugar Bowl. That's pretty much the standard of LSU every year.
Now he just has to bring home another title.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 7:12 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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miles is simply on the wrong side of a phenomenon ive coined coaching perception. everytime nick saban loses a game, its "cant win em all." when miles loses, its b/c hes an idiot and doesnt know what hes doing. miles' haters would run him out of town if he went into the season as a unanimous preseason #1, only to lose 3 games and a 24 point lead against his rival, at home. its never nick sabans fault. ever.
everyone still thinks mike stoops is going to turn arizona around. who cares its his 8th year there. youd never know it they way people talk about him. heres a tidbit- hes lost more games than hes won there. but people still believe hes a smart guy and a good football mind, despite the facts. butch davis is another guy whos always been bullet proof in reputation, despite only having 1 double digit win season in his college (and pro) career.
miles is just too far down the bad road to make it back
Excellent Post; in my view absolutely correct, we are living in a time of the best of LSU football, Period!
Love him or hate him and for whatever reason we may think, Miles has been more consistant-successful than any other coach we’ve had.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 8:05 am to GA Tiger
The entire first half was typical Miles, playing not to lose.
It wasn't until the let JJ open it up down the field that we took control of the game. Every time they've allowed JJ to play, he has excelled. Look at the Cotton and Peach Bowls. Every time they hold him back with little dink-and-dunks and short-side options, he struggles.
He was a drop-back, fling-it-down-the-field passer in highschool. Let him do what he does best.
But still, this team is hamstrung (on both sides of the ball) by Miles' play it safe strategy. Oh, I know what the "average" LSU football fan that doesn't know football is thinking right now - "what are you talking about Miles has Lesticles?"
How was that reputation earned? By some fourth downs against Florida? We had to have those or lose the game. It is not "lesticles" to do that which you have no other choice but to do. I'll give it to him on the trick plays on field goals, though.
The fact is that Les' general strategy going into most SEC games is to shorten the game to the last two drives and hope we can out athlete the other team down the stretch. But, history bears out that when we attack the other team from the first quarter on, we generally dominate: VT, TA&M, GT, are some good examples among others.
It wasn't until the let JJ open it up down the field that we took control of the game. Every time they've allowed JJ to play, he has excelled. Look at the Cotton and Peach Bowls. Every time they hold him back with little dink-and-dunks and short-side options, he struggles.
He was a drop-back, fling-it-down-the-field passer in highschool. Let him do what he does best.
But still, this team is hamstrung (on both sides of the ball) by Miles' play it safe strategy. Oh, I know what the "average" LSU football fan that doesn't know football is thinking right now - "what are you talking about Miles has Lesticles?"
How was that reputation earned? By some fourth downs against Florida? We had to have those or lose the game. It is not "lesticles" to do that which you have no other choice but to do. I'll give it to him on the trick plays on field goals, though.
The fact is that Les' general strategy going into most SEC games is to shorten the game to the last two drives and hope we can out athlete the other team down the stretch. But, history bears out that when we attack the other team from the first quarter on, we generally dominate: VT, TA&M, GT, are some good examples among others.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 8:17 am to GA Tiger
the Bama win did change my opinion of Miles.
It didn't make me realize he was some kind of genius though. Actually, what happened was, when we ran a TE on an end around on 4th and inches, I decided that obviously he doesn't care what he's supposed to do in situations. And, therefore, neither do I, so I no longer hate Les Miles.
For the record, because of that epiphony, I also don't nearly invest as much emotion into football games anymore.
It didn't make me realize he was some kind of genius though. Actually, what happened was, when we ran a TE on an end around on 4th and inches, I decided that obviously he doesn't care what he's supposed to do in situations. And, therefore, neither do I, so I no longer hate Les Miles.
For the record, because of that epiphony, I also don't nearly invest as much emotion into football games anymore.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 8:44 am to Geaux2002
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Saban: 12 win, 13 win and 14 win seasons, two NCs, two SEC titles, three SEC West titles, 3 BCS bowls.
You're giving credit to Saban for losing to Utah?
Posted on 7/29/11 at 8:53 am to LNCHBOX
I've always been a Miles supporter, but I will say, if your opinion changes on a football coach due to ONE game, then you are a moron.
Simply put, you evaluate coaches over the longterm. I can understand if someone who was anti-Miles came around over the course of last season, but not over one game. That's just silly. Because it means you will change your opinion again once you see something shiny.
Simply put, you evaluate coaches over the longterm. I can understand if someone who was anti-Miles came around over the course of last season, but not over one game. That's just silly. Because it means you will change your opinion again once you see something shiny.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 8:59 am to EastForkTiger
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North of Kentwood
I am embarrassed to live in the same state as this drooling a-hole.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:21 am to Camp Randall
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I am embarrassed to live in the same state as this drooling a-hole
This.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:28 am to GA Tiger
gatyger, you have a very queer user name.
queer[ kweer ]
1. not usual: not usual or expected
3. suspicious: arousing suspicion
queer[ kweer ]
1. not usual: not usual or expected
3. suspicious: arousing suspicion
This post was edited on 7/29/11 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:33 am to Lithium
Gee whiz. Batman
Posted on 7/29/11 at 9:35 am to GA Tiger
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Based on the Bama win, all of a sudden Miles is solid. True or False?
Miles was the same coach before the Alabama game as he was after.
The problem is extremes. People argue he is the best coach in the country - not true. People argue he is a terrible coach - not true.
I've always viewed Miles as a coach that excels in recruiting, player motivation, player loyalty, and program growth. I also think that he does a good job of forming his staff, with Crowton and the co-DC debacle being the glaring exceptions.
I think he struggles with some game management issues such as working with the clock and play strategy.
I think he is willing to take risks which, so far, as been a huge net benefit for LSU.
Based on all this, I would say that he is a Top 15, arguably Top 10 coach in the country.
I think when he hires competent coordinators, he is definitely a Top 10 coach.
He is a CEO coach and thus, his success will be greatly derived from the assistant coaches he hires.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 10:12 am to GA Tiger
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I agree that Miles is a good man. But it seems that one game and even one play converted people last year? Based on the Bama win, all of a sudden Miles is solid. True or False?
How did he win that game? Bama had FOUR first round draft picks, lsu ONE. bama had more talent.
I think LSU going 11-2 and finishing in the top ten for the 4th time in six years, he's 2-2 vs Myer, he's 2-2 against saban, he's beat weis, tressel, davis, petrino, fulmer, spurrier, ect. 5-1 in bowls. He's still standing when tressel, weis, myer, rich rod, davis ext. are gone.Lsu is picked top 10 and possible n.c. contender in year SEVEN. oh yeah, he's even won the n.c. and s.e.c. championship.
i think all this has made people think, Hell, it's been SIX and entering SEVEN years. We are doing fine. TIME TO ACCEPT MILES AND MOVE ON FROM SABAN.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 10:17 am to dos crystal
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How did he win that game? Bama had FOUR first round draft picks, lsu ONE. bama had more talent.
You can't really view games in this context. It was about match ups. Alabama's secondary was very subpar last season and LSU was able to exploit it. Alabama's strength was its running game and LSU's run defense was able to offset it.
By the same token, LSU was a more talented team than Auburn last season at every position except QB and DT. However, LSU's weakest link was its LB core and outside contain which played right into Auburn's strength - a mobile QB (we saw this again against Ole Miss.)
Posted on 7/29/11 at 12:50 pm to TheFranchise
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The fact is that Les' general strategy going into most SEC games is to shorten the game to the last two drives and hope we can out athlete the other team down the stretch. But, history bears out that when we attack the other team from the first quarter on, we generally dominate: VT, TA&M, GT, are some good examples among others.
This is Nick Saban's strategy not Les Miles
Posted on 7/29/11 at 12:51 pm to Antonio Moss
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You can't really view games in this context. It was about match ups. Alabama's secondary was very subpar last season and LSU was able to exploit it. Alabama's strength was its running game and LSU's run defense was able to offset it.
By the same token, LSU was a more talented team than Auburn last season at every position except QB and DT. However, LSU's weakest link was its LB core and outside contain which played right into Auburn's strength - a mobile QB (we saw this again against Ole Miss.)
sarcasm. this was thrown around about miles and lsu in 2006. He had FOUR first round picks. He couldn't win the n.c. due to his poor coaching. However, same doesn't apply to saban.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 1:06 pm to GA Tiger
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and on the Bama game I don't think was the fact that they won, it was how it was done. Miles coached Saban under the table in that game.
+1
Posted on 7/29/11 at 2:37 pm to GA Tiger
I never needed to be converted. But what the Bama win did do was give long time LSU fans a sigh of relief that we were not returning to those days when Bama beat us every year, year in and year out.
Plus, Miles out coached Saban that day.
Now, I think, we have a great rivalry type series with Bama, which is great for us and college football in general.
Plus, Miles out coached Saban that day.
Now, I think, we have a great rivalry type series with Bama, which is great for us and college football in general.
Posted on 7/29/11 at 4:13 pm to Lithium
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I still think Les is not a top tier coach but is a top tier recruiter. And great players make up for Les than great coaching
Agree
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