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"Gimmick" Offenses
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:41 am
Let me start by saying that Oregon's offense is amazing. It's pretty fun to watch. Their speed on offense is exceptional.
Do these "gimmick" offenses become relatively futile when a team has ample time to prepare for them?
If you're running these gimmick plays/sets and they don't work, where do you go from there? Do you switch it back up to a straight-line, power football offense? Something that Oregon is just not built for?
As good as this Oregon offense has been and how many yards they have racked up, are they good enough to rely on a different type of football game if LSU prepares well enough to shut them down?
It's fun to watch these types of offenses, but at times, these teams can be handcuffed without having an "out."
Am I off by a mile here?
Do these "gimmick" offenses become relatively futile when a team has ample time to prepare for them?
If you're running these gimmick plays/sets and they don't work, where do you go from there? Do you switch it back up to a straight-line, power football offense? Something that Oregon is just not built for?
As good as this Oregon offense has been and how many yards they have racked up, are they good enough to rely on a different type of football game if LSU prepares well enough to shut them down?
It's fun to watch these types of offenses, but at times, these teams can be handcuffed without having an "out."
Am I off by a mile here?
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Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:43 am to Prominentwon
if it doesn't work against lsu, there only chance is to rely on a few trick plays. if those don't work, then they are fricked.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:43 am to Prominentwon
Well New Mexico Had all summer to prepare......
And this happened.
Disclaimer: That's an example of a common rantard response.
And this happened.
Disclaimer: That's an example of a common rantard response.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:44 am to Prominentwon
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Am I off by a mile here?
Nawh, Oregon is in for a battle that will wear them out. LSU's defense is straight up BAD arse.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:47 am to Prominentwon
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Do these "gimmick" offenses become relatively futile when a team has ample time to prepare for them?
Yes. Part of the effectiveness of these offenses is the interactive effect of variations on the same play x tempo.
1) They play very fast.
2) They have multiple variations on the same play.
You spend the whole game guessing and chasing. Then when you get tired, the chances of the D guessing wrong go up.
With time to prepare, you can learn to recognize the offense's "tells," and those breakdowns become less frequent.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:48 am to Prominentwon
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Am I off by a mile here?
do i ask alot of questions??
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:49 am to OldIowaTiger
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Well New Mexico Had all summer to prepare......
And this happened.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 9:51 am to Prominentwon
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It's fun to watch these types of offenses
It's also fun to watch a defense shut it down and make it uneffective. I'm praying that LSU does this - the fans in Dallas will go apeshit if that happens.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:01 am to Prominentwon
Its like the triple option. Hard to prepare for in a week, but give it ample time and you can stop it.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:07 am to Prominentwon
[quote]Let me start by saying that Oregon's offense is amazing. It's pretty fun to watch. Their speed on offense is exceptional.
Do these "gimmick" offenses become relatively futile when a team has ample time to prepare for them?
If you're running these gimmick plays/sets and they don't work, where do you go from there? Do you switch it back up to a straight-line, power football offense? Something that Oregon is just not built for?
As good as this Oregon offense has been and how many yards they have racked up, are they good enough to rely on a different type of football game if LSU prepares well enough to shut them down?
It's fun to watch these types of offenses, but at times, these teams can be handcuffed without having an "out."
Am I off by a mile here? [/quote]
Yep, you are off by a mile. Oregon won't change offensive philosophy significantly during the game. They will simply adjust to what the defense gives them. Certainly in a number of games last year (blow outs) they made sure they ran the clock more just to keep from embarrassing an opponent buy putting up a 100.
As for tough opponents like LSU, it won't make much difference if it's 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 15. The play they run will be the play they run. I know this doesn't make sense to the traditional college football mind, but the thing to remember is if you run "enough" plays, something is going to work. Hope that makes a bit of sense in explaining why Oregon won't be changing much for LSU.
Do these "gimmick" offenses become relatively futile when a team has ample time to prepare for them?
If you're running these gimmick plays/sets and they don't work, where do you go from there? Do you switch it back up to a straight-line, power football offense? Something that Oregon is just not built for?
As good as this Oregon offense has been and how many yards they have racked up, are they good enough to rely on a different type of football game if LSU prepares well enough to shut them down?
It's fun to watch these types of offenses, but at times, these teams can be handcuffed without having an "out."
Am I off by a mile here? [/quote]
Yep, you are off by a mile. Oregon won't change offensive philosophy significantly during the game. They will simply adjust to what the defense gives them. Certainly in a number of games last year (blow outs) they made sure they ran the clock more just to keep from embarrassing an opponent buy putting up a 100.
As for tough opponents like LSU, it won't make much difference if it's 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 15. The play they run will be the play they run. I know this doesn't make sense to the traditional college football mind, but the thing to remember is if you run "enough" plays, something is going to work. Hope that makes a bit of sense in explaining why Oregon won't be changing much for LSU.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:07 am to Prominentwon
All depends on Chavis's scheme!
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:08 am to 7thWardTiger
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Its like the triple option
And like with the triple option, you focus on stopping the base play first. That is the FB dive in the triple option, and the jet sweep in Oregon's O.
It is tough to run variations on the play when the base form didn't work.
And the way we stop that sweep play is to disrupt their pulling line and stay assignment sound on the edges.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:09 am to GoDucks349
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Yep, you are off by a mile.
How do you explain that Oregon has lost pretty much any time you have faced a quality opponent with time to prepare in the last two years?
Boise State, Ohio State, Auburn
1 is an anomoly, 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a trend.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:15 am to OldIowaTiger
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Well New Mexico Had all summer to prepare......
And this happened.
New Mexico should never be allowed to play a BCS team. That was one of the worst football teams I've seen play in MY LIFE!! And I'm OLD!!!
New Mexico was small, slow and had poor tackling fundamentals. They actually set up a special training facility at high altitude to get there conditioning ready to play the Ducks. Didn't help them much at all.
All you can take away from that game is that the Ducks got a day off from practice.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:17 am to TxTiger82
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Do these "gimmick" offenses become relatively futile when a team has ample time to prepare for them?
Yes. Part of the effectiveness of these offenses is the interactive effect of variations on the same play x tempo.
1) They play very fast.
2) They have multiple variations on the same play.
You spend the whole game guessing and chasing. Then when you get tired, the chances of the D guessing wrong go up.
With time to prepare, you can learn to recognize the offense's "tells," and those breakdowns become less frequent.
Very Good post. I'd say that's very accurate.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:21 am to TxTiger82
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Yep, you are off by a mile.
How do you explain that Oregon has lost pretty much any time you have faced a quality opponent with time to prepare in the last two years?
Boise State, Ohio State, Auburn
1 is an anomoly, 2 is a coincidence, 3 is a trend.
That's a very good point, but that's not what I was talking about. You are absolutely correct, Duck fans are concerned about this. Those are all very good football teams the Ducks lost to.
What I was talking about was the comment about the Ducks going away from the spread and back to a more traditional offense during the game if LSU is able to shut down the spread. I think that comment was simply....... How shall I say this and be polite....... Not very well thought out.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:22 am to Prominentwon
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If you're running these gimmick plays/sets and they don't work, where do you go from there?
This is the weakness of Oregon's style of offense. They throw everything at you, and if it doesn't work, they have nothing else left in the tank. I think LSU has a good enough secondary to stop their quick screen passes, but I am worried about their running game. Chavis hasn't been able to stop a spread rushing attack very well.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:27 am to Prominentwon
i didnt consider Auburn's Defense to be a great example of an elite SEC Defense and you saw the success they had against the Ducks.
SEC Defenses are built to make a team question what it does and Oregon really has no other option that to be what it is.
they will see an elite SEC Defense come September.
SEC Defenses are built to make a team question what it does and Oregon really has no other option that to be what it is.
they will see an elite SEC Defense come September.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:29 am to Chimlim
Wonder if Oregon will have an option pitch to the short side? Worst play in our play book 
Posted on 6/23/11 at 10:29 am to GoDucks349
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Not very well thought out.
Not necessarily. I guess it would be easier to ask if Oregon has a back up plan?
If a team has enough time to shut the offense down and succeeds, where does Oregon go from there?
At least with LSU, you know what you're going to get regardless. smashmouth, up the gut offense. With an occasional pass to open things up a little more....the entire game.
Oregon is not built for that. So if the spread is shut down, where do they go from there?
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