re: Who has a bigger impact on the game, Cliff Harris or Tyrann Mathieu?

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The point is you find anyway to dismiss the talent on our side of the ball.

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What. I gave him his props as a CB. I'm sorry if i looked at what he did and against who he was playing and creamed my pants.

I guess i should be astonished about the 72 points you put up last season against PSU to right?

See this pic i got? Tm is much better than Cliff Harris. Wow, Cliff can return punts?!? Good for him, we have 3x people just as good. Nobody makes plays like TM does. If you watch his highlight reel, you can see TM played even better than his stats read. How many tips are in those clips that lead to an easy pick for someone else on the D? The A&m interception/rip returned for a TD, are you serious? That wasn't some against some bullshite team, everyone outside LA had us losing to those posers. TM all the way.

Not to try and diminish Harris in anyway, but TM made plays that you were like, "Holy shite that didn't just happen did it?".

That rip play... I still say that each time I watch it. The kid is a beast and was a true frosh. And as posted earlier, he is not afraid to make a tackle. It's a little easier on run defense when you have 11 players willing to make a tackle, not 10.

I think you are missing some of the point LSU fans are making... at least what I'm trying to say. TM didn't "dominate" as a true frosh. He was a nickle back. That made a shite ton of awesome plays in limited duty. This is part of the reason why I feel that LSUs secondary is much better than UO... because a beast like TM wasn't even the full time starter.. unless of course we started out in a nickle package.

I don't think anyone is saying the UO secondary sucks. But after Harris, there is a big drop off in comparison. And I can't speak for everyone else, but when I talk secondary comparisons, I'm talking the whole secondary... not just the 2 starting safeties and 2 starting CBs. I'm talking the whole nickle and dime packages.

But thats a conversation that should go in the other thread. This thread is discussing who will have a greater impact not who has a better secondary.

Or did I miss your point completely?

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dbbuilder79

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You seem a very respectful fellow and I appreciate that. I am not personally attacking you in this response, just pointing some things out. I just take issue with something you said:

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2 things. You are absolutely correct. I do not follow Oregon football faithfully like you. But Chip Kelly DOES run up scores. He does not slow down. The games I have watched were all track meets w/ most of the skilled players in til late in the 4th. (ie: Tenn) And the games I didn't watch.. I just need to look at the score. 70-0, 48-13, 69-0, 60-13, etc, etc.. Either those teams were horrid, or I stand by my previous statement.

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There are so many Myths and ridiculous claims it is not even funny.
For one, I can easily tell you do not watch much UO football. Watching a few games here and there does not mean you watch a ton of of UO football or know our Coach well, or know our Team well, or know our mindset well. It is obvious you do not.

First off. I myself see nothing wrong with running up a score. If I were HC, I would have no problem doing it at any time. The contest in Football is to score as many points as you can. And the winner is the team with the most points. Maybe its a Southern Thing, but I see no problem in it. However, that does not mean if I were a HC I would try to embarress another team/coach. Rather, I just want my guys as fit and well oiled as possible, so I would not slow down for nothing. If I was beating a bad team much, I would just put in my 3rd and 4th stringers and not just run the ball. I would want all my guys to get tons of practice (as they are our future starters down the road) so I would do all the same things/air it out ect...) But that is just me. I am not UO's HC though.

However, Chip Kelly DOES NOT purposefully run up the score. What do you expect him to do, tell his 4th stringers to just hold the ball and don't run? I can easily tell you have not watched much football because if you did, you would know, in those two two shutouts (1st and 3rd game), he benched all his starters at half time(unlike the 4th quarter as you claim). In the second half you were seeing mostly 3rd and 4th stringers. Again, what's he to do, as them to take a knee all the 2nd half? And as far as the Tenn game, which is probably one of the only ones you saw, he did not put his 4th stringers in until he knew we had it in the bag. We are used to PAC football, not SEC. In the PAC one can score at anytime and quickly. Just because you are up by 10 points or even 2 touchdowns does not mean you have won the game. A team could easily take one to the house with a return, or a fumble, interception ect... And unlike your claim, the 3rd, 4th stringer went in much quicker then you saw. Maybe not our QB of course, as he was a first year starter and he needed more reps, but all through out.

I do however understand that this is a great Media Myth about Chip. And well, you said one thing that is a contradiction. You said Chip "runs up the score. He does not slow down." FYI, just because a team is not slowing down does not necessarily mean he is trying to run up the score. We kick out of our Blurr Offense often when we are super up on a team. However, if Chip did not(which he does)would that be a bad thing? Giving the 3rd and 4th stringer practice that way with it? And btw, sometimes when we kick out of "blurr mode", we were so good last year on O, that often everything seemed like a Blurr. lol
Its ok, you confess you did not watch much UO football. But you did not have to confess this, as I could easily tell by your claims. Remember, not everything ESPN(or other media) says is true. Sometimes one needs to watch for themselves. And one cannot just go by when a diff QB comes in. Dude, we lost our #2 QB to a torn ACL last year. Our #3 guy we were saving his red-shirt on. And unless you knew our personal groups, you really did not have a clue.

Its just a difference of thought as well. SEC teams are not known(usually) to be able to score as quick as PAC teams. So if a team is up by a few scores over a SEC, and they get more everyone there thinks running up the score is happening. Again, we are used to thinking we have to really get up, as a buffer if someone makes a run. Look at all the great QB's in our league we have had, see my point? Yes Chip loves to push it and crush them, but he is not doing so for any style points or to embarrass any single team. And when the margin was high enough, always the 3rd and 4th guys came in, but ya, often times they just kept the same truck rolling. Oh well, I guess we were that loaded last year, or our scheme and style of our O was that good. Oh wait, were we not the #1 Offense last year? Perhaps we were too good as just scoring.

Personally I wish he ran up the score on Washington, our hated Rival. But chip does not even acknowledge them as our rival. To him every team is just a faceless opponent. (which ticks many of us Ducks off that he did not see UW as we see them). Chip just wants his team to compete against themselves and do as good a job as they can, as our most famous Duck Alum did as a runner. He ran against himself even though other saw it as a competition with others in a race. Nope. But did he run up his times? Or was he just trying to perform at his best? See, different mindsets and you just don't know our coach or team well which is ok however. He has no enemies, and he never once tried to embarrass anyone. Again, to get the best lesson on this, you need to watch the Cal Game. UO the whole 4th quarter could of scored more. And a reporter afterward was so shocked that he did not and told Chip, "are you not upset that you only won by 2 point?" Chip said, "I could care less what the score is, we won".

And that is the truth. He could care less what the score is. He more wants to know, did his kids play the best they could. And after the title game, in the locker room, he asked them, "think of who you love the most. And could you look them in the eye and tell them you played the hardest you could? (yes of course) Well then, you have nothing to be ashamed of. I am greatly proud of you too."

Sometimes Myths are not true, just saying...
If however you still feel differently then please, by all means, quote exact games and references. Another LSU fan a few days ago linked all our game highlights into a really neat thread. I know all our games by heart almost. Can you specifically prove your claims? If so, try me.

I really don't believe there is dropoff with our ones and twos - there may be more talent. Terrance Mitchell, Troy Hill, and Dargan made a lot of noise in spring drill...a lot. T Mitch and Hill pushed Gildon and would usurp him only if they were prodigious talents because Gildon has 4 years of system in his brain, a very articulate, intelligent kid, btw. Brian Jackson was a special teamer last year that has very good instincts. He's the hoover kid we picked up and I expect a lot of big things from him. Dargan is going to push the two upperclassmen at safety.

However, the problem is that these guys are promising. Nothing has been proven on the field. In a way, it is very similar to LSU. However, LSU has the benefit of the doubt being in the SEC and a perrenial powerhouse. We are at a bit of disadvantage with the national media because we are the newcomers.

Coach Neal has had spectacular results as our secondary coach and has done this with under the radar kids. He is now getting the pick of the litter. Remember, the redshirts that I am speaking of come from a top 10 class. It will be very interesting to see things unfold on sept. 3.

If Athlon is correct and T Mitch wins out the job (more likely hill in my estimation), I wouldn't see this as a good thing. Gildon has proven that he can be a solid contributor and any redshirt would have to show something spectacular. Also, Scott Grady is a junior that featured in the rotation last year in 12 games.

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However, the problem is that these guys are promising. Nothing has been proven on the field. In a way, it is very similar to LSU. However, LSU has the benefit of the doubt being in the SEC and a perrenial powerhouse. We are at a bit of disadvantage with the national media because we are the newcomers.

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What? LSU's young guys proved it on the field last season. We have the benefit of the doubt because 2 played in every game(Matheiu, Loston) 1 played in 12(Reid) and Simon played in 7. Those were meaningful minutes, not garbage time.

Unless you are comparing UO this year to LSU last year. In that case, i can see your comparison

Sporting News calls Harris the most exciting performer in CFB.

Edge to Harris!

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The more I think about this the more I can't believe how bad that athlon article is.

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I wasn't going to say anything at first cause I didn't want to seem like I was bashing anything you said.. But once you said this... I had to chime in... Athlon is garbage IMO. FWIW

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Sporting News calls Harris the most exciting performer in CFB.

Edge to Harris!

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They also have LSU winning the NC. So what do they know.