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re: LSU'S last three years...Just a bare bones look....
Posted on 1/11/11 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/11/11 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
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do you consider Butch Davis or Dooley as elite coaches?
It seemed like about 80% of the rantards were begging for Butch Davis before Miles got hired. You probably wanted him too.
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Posted on 1/11/11 at 4:59 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I really can. Coaches screw up the clock, and to embarrasing levels, on a weekly basis. The criminal misuse of tiemouts is my #1 pet peeve. Once again, he's never turned a win into loss. Not once. I'm not arguing he's done well in clock management, but to argue that clock management issues are in any way unique to Miles is absurd. Even elite coaches screw up the clock. and they do it regularly. and if Miles gets the blame for JJ not knowing what to do against Tennesee, he gets the credit for T-Bob alertly snapping the ball once everyone was set, drawing the game winning penalty.
Seriously, you cannot label that as common clock mismanagement.
quote:Which he does. that's why he's elite.
He is also paid 4 million dollars to put these kids in position to win.
quote:He had a mediocre 2008. His winning percentage in the last two seasons is 81%. Even the very best coaches have a bad season.
his first 3 years he won at an 85% clip
these past 3 years his % has dropped to 71%.
quote:Which Miles absolutely does. In fact, this is one of his greatest strengths. He puts his players in position to win and then he expects them to make plays. he trusts his players to go out there and make the big play. He empowers his players with his style of coaching.
My biggest thing is putting the kids in position to win. Because with the talent we have, the winning will take care of itself.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:00 pm to Lester Earl
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mike mccarthy didnt run 5 players onto the field and change personnel as the clock was ticking down with no timeouts.
And you think les miles coordinates offensive player personnel sets on each play. I think your blame there lies on Crowton and the assistants. Which I understand, ultimately falls on the HC. And if that's the case, then 11-2 ultimately falls on the HC. Miles is so much better than a lot of you realize, it's comical really.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:03 pm to OBUDan
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you are saying Miles cannot be elite because of one thing: clock management. As if that is THE single most important facet of coaching.
Mainly. Those are things elite coaches do not do. The downplaying of them is hilarious to me.
And the fact that yall simply keep labeling them as "clock mismanagement", when it was so much more than that.
nick Saban calling for a punt deep in their territory is not equal. Miles has done the same thing, if we want to go there.
What stoops did is not the same.
The Les Miles I saw in his first 3 years was elite. He was winning games at a high rate, playing in BCS games. He decision making was not in question. He seemed to press all the right buttons.
However, the last 3 years he has done things that have just been head scratching. He has fell from that elite level. Elite coaches do not do those things. Saban doesnt, Meyer didnt, shite, Les Miles didnt his first 3 years. But put in those situations, he wet the bed.
I think next year is the biggest in his career at any level. It is a huge swing year. Does he build on the 11 win season? Or does he revert to 08 and 09 seasons.
Because as i said, 2010 very well could have gone that way. Whether you like it or not. 11 wins was great, but a play here and a play there, and we are in the same boat.
so 2011 is a huge swing year. He has a very talented team, with a very talented recruiting class coming, and he has 2 SR QBs, and savior Mettenberger coming back.
I will say this: Miles can win me back. Hire a good OC. Clean up the gameday management issues. Settle on a QB without being overly faithful to Jordan Jefferson. We will see how it goes. 2011 could be a great year. We could also lose 4 games. We will see.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:09 pm to Lester Earl
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The Les Miles I saw in his first 3 years was elite.
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However, the last 3 years he has done things that have just been head scratching
To be honest, Miles had me scratching my head WAY more in his first 3 years. Now I've learned to just sit back and enjoy.
First game against Az St, after Early's TD "catch", Miles was on the sideline asking if we should go for 2. I was stunned.
Later that year, he tries to call timeout after a turnover.
I was actually glad in 07 when I heard he was taking the Mich job. Then all he did was win. And I started realizing how the players respond to him. And then I realized more and more how nitpicky I had been. The guy loves to coach college football and he's damn good at it. There is something special in his wackiness. I'm just gonna enjoy the ride.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:10 pm to Baloo
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I really can. Coaches screw up the clock, and to embarrasing levels, on a weekly basis.
You can't be serious Baloo. You are so much smarter than this. I realize you love the man, but shite. Don't be blind.
Look at those links i posted on the last page. Maybe that will refresh your mind. If not, I don't know what to say.
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He had a mediocre 2008. His winning percentage in the last two seasons is 81%. Even the very best coaches have a bad season.
and his winning percentage in 08 and 09 was 65%.
see what I did there?
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He puts his players in position to win and then he expects them to make plays. he trusts his players to go out there and make the big play.
If you asked our offensive players if he put them in best position to win and succeed over the last 3 years, what do you think they would say?
specifically the WR's. what would they say? Tolliver...Shepard, Randle as a Freshman.....?
Jarrett Lee? how do you think he would answer if you asked him if he had a fair shake to play QB at LSU? Specifically after watching Miles continually run Jefferson out there despite lackluster play? Despite giving JEfferson time to mesh and get into the flow of the game, even after he had proven to be inadequate? Despite Miles letting Jefferson start EVERY Game in the 2010 season? What would he say?
what would Jordan JEfferson tell you...him being the QB under snap for the Ole Miss and Tenn game. Do you think he would admit to being put in a position to win? Would he tell you he was prepared for those situations?
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Whether you like it or not. 11 wins was great, but a play here and a play there, and we are in the same boat.
A play here and a play there and Auburn doesn't go undefeated and play for BCS title. C'mon man. You're better than that.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:12 pm to Lester Earl
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Jarrett Lee?
Seriously?? Jarrett F'in Lee?? We all know now that he's not good enough to play at this level, right??
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:19 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Yeah, that was my point. If he had an 85% winning pct in his first 3 years and an 81% in his last two... 2008 is the outlier. It's not like he's declining as your method of presenting his numbers did. You were being misleading. He's won at roughly the same clip for his entire tenure EXCEPT for 2008. He had a bad year. To try and present it as part of some trend is completely disingenuous at this point.
and his winning percentage in 08 and 09 was 65%.
see what I did there?
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If you asked our offensive players if he put them in best position to win and succeed over the last 3 years, what do you think they would say?
"Yes."
I won't go through each individual example, but I think our players would, as a group, say "yes", they have been put in a position to succeed and win. Considering they have succeeded and won. People bitch about Shep's touches, but he's really done little to justify more, and Miles clearly makes an immense effort to get him the ball.
I think Lee's been given plenty of chances here, and I was one of the few people defending Lee in his freshman year. I love the kid, he's won us ballgames. He's also not as good as JJ.
Mack Brown is an elite coach, and his clock management blunder in 2009 Big 12 title game is almost exactly the same as Miles' in the OM game.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:54 pm to Lester Earl
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Just some refreshers
You know, if the best you have after 6 years, bout 80 games, and bout 12,000 plays is a handful of miscue's to bitch bout...you don't have much.
I'll take his out coaching Nick in the 2nd half of the Bama and you can have the play that never happened as a result of the Tennessee staff not being able to count to 11.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 5:59 pm to Chicken
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improvement.
+10000000000000
and kicking off of the team the starting QB, why not look back on all of Les's seasons, because you can't honestly and not like what he does ....
Posted on 1/11/11 at 6:22 pm to Lester Earl
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Mainly. Those are things elite coaches do not do. The downplaying of them is hilarious to me.
I'm not downplaying them.
I just don't choose to say that clock management is the most important part of being a coach... which is what you seem to believe.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 6:29 pm to Chicken
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improvement.
this is the correct answer.
What I SAW was young qbs playing before they were ready, a shitty defense that made a one-eighty, improved offensive line play and more badass players committing and contributing to LSU.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 6:45 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Miles 14-10 in the SEC and zero west titles
Saban 21-3 in the SEC and 2 of 3 west titles
Saban 21-3 in the SEC and 2 of 3 west titles
This post was edited on 1/11/11 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 1/11/11 at 6:54 pm to peopleschamp
what is LM's record vs NS?
Posted on 1/11/11 at 7:13 pm to Baloo
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2008 is the outlier. It's not like he's declining as your method of presenting his numbers did.
you keep glorifying 2009. That was a bad year by LSU standards. How is 9-4 in line with what he had done previous years? It really was no better than 2008. We essentially were awarded a good bowl game because the conference as a whole was awesome.
If the ball bounces differently this year we are a 4 lost team again this past year. Potentially 5. Would you agree?
Maybe 2010 was the outlier. We wont know until next year. See what I mean? I dont think it is that hard to grasp.
we can talk trends, but dont, in the next breath start throwing out outliers. That doesnt work in such a small window that is 3 years.
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I won't go through each individual example, but I think our players would, as a group, say "yes", they have been put in a position to succeed and win.
as a group, maybe. The ones i listed, i'd almost guarantee you the would not agree if you sat down with them 10 years from now and asked them.
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Considering they have succeeded and won.
Really? What do you think Patrick Peterson's memories at LSU are going to be? Man, what a waste of a once in a lifetime player
. He will have left LSU having won 70% of his games, never played in a SECCG. Never saw a BCS game.
Went 2-4 vs ARK and Ole Miss. With one of the losses vs ARK keeping him out of the Sugar Bowl.
2-4 vs FL and AL.
The Cotton bowl is his fondest memory at LSU. By all means, a great bowl experience. But shite, you dont come to LSU to play in the cotton bowl.
Glorify the last 3 years all you want. 2011 is a huge swing year. That will tell us the true outlier. 2010, or 2008
Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:15 pm to Lester Earl
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But shite, you dont come to LSU to play in the cotton bowl.
You don't go to Alabama to play in the Capital One Bowl. You don't go to Florida to play in the Outback Bowl. Hell, you don't go to South Florida to play in the Meineke Car Care Bowl. You go to these schools to win championships. Durr. But when they don't, you don't see 'Bama fans burning Saban in effigy. You don't see the Florida faithful calling for Urban Meyer's head on a pike.
As for 2009, no one's glorifying it. It was an okay year. 9 and 4. Not bad. You keep harping on the fact that this year "could have been X," but it wasn't. Stop hating. Put a smile on your face and enjoy the ridiculous ride of success that LSU has had for the past decade. Honestly, I've never seen an individual so adamantly opposed to being happy. Get over yourself, Lombardi.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:23 pm to LoveThatMoney
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You don't go to Alabama to play in the Capital One Bowl. You don't go to Florida to play in the Outback Bowl. Hell, you don't go to South Florida to play in the Meineke Car Care Bowl. You go to these schools to win championships. Durr.
a 4 year player graduating from FLorida this year would have won 80% of the games he played in, Won a national title, and won another BCS game(sugar), and played in 2 SECCG(winning 1)
a 4 year player leaving Alabama after this year would leave with wins in 80% of their games, a national title, 2 SECCG appearences(winning 1), a trip to the Sugar bowl, and a New Years day bowl win.
durr durr durr.
at least respond to the context of what I said those words in.
Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:42 pm to TxHillsTiger
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Anyone can find undesirable point of view if you only look at a small portion of the picture/history.
Case in point - how do you like this?:
TXHillsTiger - My official nomination for post-of-the-year (the year is young, but still.... )
Posted on 1/11/11 at 11:47 pm to Hitchcock
nature of being a powerhouse. I would be willing to bet you alabama does not blow out anybody next year.
Ole miss played their best game of the year against us.
Ole miss played their best game of the year against us.
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