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Question regarding the movie "Wall Street"

Posted on 12/22/10 at 8:44 pm
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/22/10 at 8:44 pm
The newest one. Maybe I missed it, but how does one investment banking firm destroy another in a matter of a week? The company's stock went from $80/share to being bought out at $3/share. It was supposedly rumors that killed the stock. Is that possible?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133442 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 9:18 pm to
It's not exactly like the movie, but on September 1, 2008 Lehman Brothers was selling for $16/share. Two weeks later on September 15, it was selling for $.15/share. So.....
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 9:23 pm to
By forcing liquidity issues to the forefront, I guess.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37658 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 9:27 pm to
So, another company killed Lehman Bros?

The film talked about KZI owning "toxic debt". What's the point in purchasing debt? Expecting a turn around?
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37658 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 9:43 pm to
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By forcing liquidity issues to the forefront, I guess.


Are there any banks, or investment firms, that are liquid? I tend to think all of em would have problems putting up the cash on demand.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

It's not exactly like the movie


Right. Basically some firms highly leverage themselves even more than most banks (which is a lot), figuring it's safe to do so. Sometimes they are right. When they aren't things collapse really fast.
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49584 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 9:56 pm to
Plus They know Micheal Douglas only has a few shovels left before his dirt nap so they had to make the takeover/failure fast.
Posted by Great Plains Tiger
Member since Sep 2005
282 posts
Posted on 12/22/10 at 10:23 pm to
Read this to see how it happens.

...and I agree with what Martini said.

This post was edited on 12/22/10 at 10:35 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133442 posts
Posted on 12/23/10 at 6:40 am to
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Are there any banks, or investment firms, that are liquid? I tend to think all of em would have problems putting up the cash on demand.
C'mon! Didn't you see It's a Wonderful Life? Jimmy Stewart explained all about a financial institution's liquidity in that movie.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37658 posts
Posted on 12/23/10 at 8:07 am to
Thanks for the link. That's good stuff.
Posted by auditu
Member since Aug 2010
52 posts
Posted on 12/27/10 at 4:33 pm to
Banks are funded on an ongoing basis with deposits and debt. Over time, due to the fundamentals of economics and the behavior of people, banks leverage up, and with more time those that rely to a large degree on short term credit get their asses handed to them when credit markets get spooked because they are neither able to fund nor refi maturing debts.

I've done audit work for some of the largest investment banks, worked with Yankee baffoons and have come to the conclusion that in their current states these things are hollow nothingness, but who knows, maybe THAT'S PRICED IN!
Posted by zbra24
Haughton
Member since Sep 2008
481 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 3:56 pm to
Amazing read. I am not too bright on the subject but that article certainly raises many questions on what happened with bear, but more importantly what could happen in the future.
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