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gus malzahn as a big time college HC
Posted on 12/5/10 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/5/10 at 12:55 pm
i personally dont see any negatives in hiring him to be the head coach at a big time school. a middle of the pack BCS school should scoop him up now and thank god they get to rent him for 3 years.
every stop hes been at, the offense racks up the points and yards. hes an exceptional Xs and Os guy, great feel for play calling. my lone concern is his ability (want?) to recruit. hes always done it with lesser players- until he has cam newton, now look at him.
this is not a flame in any capacity, but i would LOVE to hire him as LSU's head coach. i know, i know- les isnt going anywhere- yadda, yadda, yadda. i would hope he'd keep chavis to run the D, he runs the O. we'd be completely unstoppable.
every stop hes been at, the offense racks up the points and yards. hes an exceptional Xs and Os guy, great feel for play calling. my lone concern is his ability (want?) to recruit. hes always done it with lesser players- until he has cam newton, now look at him.
this is not a flame in any capacity, but i would LOVE to hire him as LSU's head coach. i know, i know- les isnt going anywhere- yadda, yadda, yadda. i would hope he'd keep chavis to run the D, he runs the O. we'd be completely unstoppable.
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Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:00 pm to Angry LLAMA
I would have major reservations with him as a major program HC.
Limited experience at best. Somr of the best recruiters are real xs and os guys. I see him as one of those, and they lack a lot of skills needed to be a head coach.
Training is for lower tier programs.
Limited experience at best. Somr of the best recruiters are real xs and os guys. I see him as one of those, and they lack a lot of skills needed to be a head coach.
Training is for lower tier programs.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:02 pm to tigerfoot
Chip Kelly sure had a lot of experience.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:05 pm to Angry LLAMA
quote:
es always done it with lesser players- until he has cam newton,
Darren McFadden says you can go frick yourself.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:17 pm to Angry LLAMA
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every stop hes been at, the offense racks up the points and yards. hes an exceptional Xs and Os guy, great feel for play calling
A good OC doesn't necessarily make a great HC. Mark Richt, Ralph Friedgen, Charlie Weis are a few examples.
For a major program like LSU, I'd rather hire a HC from another school rather than take a chance on a coordinator as HC.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:17 pm to tigerfoot
quote:im not familiar with his personality at all. he could have worse speaking skills than miles for all i know- but he does bring exceptional offensive knowledge to the table
and they lack a lot of skills needed to be a head coach.
bottom line: i think all coaching hires have risk involved. i just see malzahn as a home run hire for any program: LSU, michigan, florida- anyone. i think hes going to be a superstar
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:21 pm to GeauxTigersLee
quote:c'mon now. thats not fair. hes far from bust...
A good OC doesn't necessarily make a great HC. Mark Richt
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:23 pm to Angry LLAMA
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im not familiar with his personality at all. he could have worse speaking skills than miles for all i know- but he does bring exceptional offensive knowledge to the table
bottom line: i think all coaching hires have risk involved. i just see malzahn as a home run hire for any program: LSU, michigan, florida- anyone. i think hes going to be a superstar
He would be a big risk for any major program. Going from coordinator to head coach is a major jump. The large majority of coaches who make that jump will fail. It is important to gain HC experience at smaller, mid level places before trying to handle it on the biggest stage. You'd go from worrying solely about Xs and Os, watching game film, and calling plays (where you are insulated from the media) to running the entire program, ranging from identifying and hiring a quality coaching staff, conditioning, recruiting oversight, to coaching both sides of the ball plus special teams, dealing with the media, administrative duties, dealing with academics, discipline, and "coaching the coaches" which is a big part about being the head guy.
Lots of guys have been great Xs and Os coaches, but failed as the head coach - just ask Charlie Weis who is an exceptional pro coordinator.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:25 pm to Angry LLAMA
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c'mon now. thats not fair. hes far from bust...
True, maybe that's not fair. He has done very well at UGA, but many UGA fans haven't been happy with him the last few years. Jimbo Fisher is another that could turn out well or not. He did make the ACC CG this year. Too early to tell imo.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 1:34 pm to Angry LLAMA
I'm really surprised Miami hasn't sniffed around him at all. Fits what they need to a T. Offensive minded and would be relatively cheap compared to some of the proven HCs.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 2:29 pm to bayoujd
quote:he does have experience as a head guy as a wildly successful high school coach. i know its only high school- but look at some other coaches who went from small time to big time- tressell at youngstown state and chip kelly at new hampshire.
ou'd go from worrying solely about Xs and Os, watching game film, and calling plays (where you are insulated from the media) to running the entire program, ranging from identifying and hiring a quality coaching staff, conditioning, recruiting oversight, to coaching both sides of the ball plus special teams, dealing with the media, administrative duties, dealing with academics, discipline, and "coaching the coaches" which is a big part about being the head guy.
rich rod was a slam dunk to michigan. previous experience at a smaller BCS school. track record of success as a head guy and coordinator. but it didnt work out. all im saying is gaining experience at a smaller school doesnt always translate either.
(successful)coordinators from big time schools taking head coaching positions:
bobby stoops: florida to OU
bo pelini: LSU to nebrask
mark richt: FSU to UGA (and yes, i am including him on the successful side)
charlie weis was always a pro guy with zero college experience.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 3:53 pm to Angry LLAMA
He, like urban, are great if they get the qb. If not, can't do shite. See auburn last year and urban in 05 and this year.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 4:06 pm to Weaver
quote:who was tulsa's trigger man in 07 when they lead the ncaa in offense?
great if they get the qb
go ask 5 star, gatorade player of the year mitch mustain about life after gus malzahn's scheme.
i agree urban needs the perfect QB. i just think malzahn adapts to his personnel and can be NC worthy with the right QB- see: newton, cam
Posted on 12/5/10 at 4:31 pm to Angry LLAMA
Been around Malzahn's scheme for awhile now. Grown up here in Springdale and was coached by him.
Cam Newton isn't the exact QB for a Malzahn offense. Neither was Casey Dick. The type of QB Malzahn wants is a past first QB that can make plays with his feet. I'd say Newton prefers to run.
He is one of the hardest working coaches I've ever been around. He motions players around to put the defense out of position. I'll break down a play he has:
-Out of the spread you put the slot receiver in motion. You hand it off to him on the speed sweep, at Springdale he called it Wheel Skywalker. Wheel is the left side slot receiver and motion him into the speed sweep. Your QB also fakes up the middle.
-Now if you notice the defense isn't respecting the QB and is flowing to the sweep he would later call Wheel Brown Skywalker. Which would be the same play look, but instead the QB fakes to the WR and runs up the middle.
He runs this at every school he's been at. The commentators get it confused with a QB Read, but it really is a designed choice.
He has had good athletes around him in Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, Cam Newton. He has good speaking skills, at least better then Miles. At Springdale he was Head Coach and Athletic Director.
I really think whatever school picks up Malzahn will get a great coach. At Arkansas, Tulsa, and Auburn Malzahn has put up some pretty good numbers.
Cam Newton isn't the exact QB for a Malzahn offense. Neither was Casey Dick. The type of QB Malzahn wants is a past first QB that can make plays with his feet. I'd say Newton prefers to run.
He is one of the hardest working coaches I've ever been around. He motions players around to put the defense out of position. I'll break down a play he has:
-Out of the spread you put the slot receiver in motion. You hand it off to him on the speed sweep, at Springdale he called it Wheel Skywalker. Wheel is the left side slot receiver and motion him into the speed sweep. Your QB also fakes up the middle.
-Now if you notice the defense isn't respecting the QB and is flowing to the sweep he would later call Wheel Brown Skywalker. Which would be the same play look, but instead the QB fakes to the WR and runs up the middle.
He runs this at every school he's been at. The commentators get it confused with a QB Read, but it really is a designed choice.
He has had good athletes around him in Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, Cam Newton. He has good speaking skills, at least better then Miles. At Springdale he was Head Coach and Athletic Director.
I really think whatever school picks up Malzahn will get a great coach. At Arkansas, Tulsa, and Auburn Malzahn has put up some pretty good numbers.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 4:40 pm to Tigercoop40
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He is one of the hardest working coaches I've ever been around. He motions players around to put the defense out of position. I'll break down a play he has:
-Out of the spread you put the slot receiver in motion. You hand it off to him on the speed sweep, at Springdale he called it Wheel Skywalker. Wheel is the left side slot receiver and motion him into the speed sweep. Your QB also fakes up the middle.
-Now if you notice the defense isn't respecting the QB and is flowing to the sweep he would later call Wheel Brown Skywalker. Which would be the same play look, but instead the QB fakes to the WR and runs up the middle.
He runs this at every school he's been at. The commentators get it confused with a QB Read, but it really is a designed choice.
He has had good athletes around him in Darren McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, Cam Newton. He has good speaking skills, at least better then Miles. At Springdale he was Head Coach and Athletic Director.
I really think whatever school picks up Malzahn will get a great coach. At Arkansas, Tulsa, and Auburn Malzahn has put up some pretty good numbers.
im driving this bandwagon full speed ahead, better get on board while theres room!!!
Posted on 12/5/10 at 4:51 pm to Angry LLAMA
I've been pro Malzahn since he was at Springdale High School. Then at Arkansas. Then Tulsa. Kinda hate to cheer for him at Auburn, but I'd like to see him do well. Hopefully he won't be at Auburn much longer.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 5:10 pm to BilJ
These coaches that aren't diving head first to the first available Big East job.
Any decent coach would absolutely dominate that conference, IMO. There's nothing special there.
Leach
Malzahn
I do think Louisville will be taking over that conference soon considering Strong's recruiting pipelines he has in Florida and he's not a terrible coach.
But a West Virginia? Rutgers?
How much do you have to work to win the Big East right now? Once you start winning, your recruiting classes improve. I feel like right now is the most opportune time to build a foundation to a strong program in the Big East. Just have to find the right guy to do it.
Any decent coach would absolutely dominate that conference, IMO. There's nothing special there.
Leach
Malzahn
I do think Louisville will be taking over that conference soon considering Strong's recruiting pipelines he has in Florida and he's not a terrible coach.
But a West Virginia? Rutgers?
How much do you have to work to win the Big East right now? Once you start winning, your recruiting classes improve. I feel like right now is the most opportune time to build a foundation to a strong program in the Big East. Just have to find the right guy to do it.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 5:12 pm to Angry LLAMA
Gus looks like a genius with Cam Newton
I am not sold on him being "more" than a good assistant
How much NFL experience does he have? We know he has HS experience! LOL!
If his system was rocket science it would work in the NFL, but it won't work in the NFL because everyone is on Cam's level as an athlete.
I am not sold on him being "more" than a good assistant
How much NFL experience does he have? We know he has HS experience! LOL!
If his system was rocket science it would work in the NFL, but it won't work in the NFL because everyone is on Cam's level as an athlete.
Posted on 12/5/10 at 5:13 pm to Tigercoop40
He will be a great head coach at some point.
I don't think any powerhouses will take a chance of hiring him based on "lack of experience" or whatever, but I find that to be silly.
I'd be willing to wager there's no greater odds of a coach succeeding whether making the move from coordinator to HC or small-school HC to big time HC.
To me, you just have to have the right personality.
It's NFL, so a little different, but Mike Tomlin was a coordinator for one year and then hired by Pittsburgh (who has an outstanding history of making phenomenal coaching decisions) to be the head man. Now he's regarded as a top 5 coach in the league. He's a great coach because of who he is, and it would have been dumb to discredit him based on "lack of experience."
I don't think any powerhouses will take a chance of hiring him based on "lack of experience" or whatever, but I find that to be silly.
I'd be willing to wager there's no greater odds of a coach succeeding whether making the move from coordinator to HC or small-school HC to big time HC.
To me, you just have to have the right personality.
It's NFL, so a little different, but Mike Tomlin was a coordinator for one year and then hired by Pittsburgh (who has an outstanding history of making phenomenal coaching decisions) to be the head man. Now he's regarded as a top 5 coach in the league. He's a great coach because of who he is, and it would have been dumb to discredit him based on "lack of experience."
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