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re: ESPN: Hornets and Raptors agree in principle on Peja/Bayless trade

Posted on 11/20/10 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by NOLATiger86
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 5:57 pm to
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Can someone with insider post a summary of Hollinger's article (main story on NBA page).


this
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 6:13 pm to
I thik its against the rules to post the whole thing.

Here is the most important part:

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But on the court, there are three major reasons to like this trade for New Orleans.



First, Jack is, at the moment, better than Bayless. For a franchise in win-today mode, that's a vital consideration. Bayless may eventually become a potent high-scoring guard as a poor man's Devin Harris, but he isn't there yet and was unlikely to ever reach that status playing 10 minutes a night behind Paul. In fact, he had struggled mightily in his brief stay with the Hornets after a solid season in Portland a year ago. (Bayless, incidentally, was a Hornet for just four weeks. Hope he was renting. If you're following the math from the previous trade that brought Bayless from Portland, New Orleans essentially used next year's first-round pick on Jack.)



Second, Jack is much more capable than Bayless of playing with Paul in the same backcourt. He's a better outside shooter and floor spacer, and he is bigger and can more realistically check 2s. Because of those considerations, he's a better fit in the Hornets' rotation than Bayless.



And finally, there's Andersen. Yes, he's softer than cotton candy, but this could be a useful throw-in. The one thing he can do is play the pick-and-pop game. With a masterful pick-and-roll point guard like Paul on his side, that's likely to make Andersen a useful offensive weapon off the bench. He's a 7-footer too, so as limited as he may be defensively he helps address a glaring lack of size in the Hornets' second unit.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 6:14 pm to
This part is of interest too:

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Plus, the Hornets have still left the door open for a more meaningful transaction down the road. While Stojakovic's huge expiring contact is out of the picture, they have $9 million in expiring deals in Green and Banks, plus other expirings (Belinelli, Smith, Andersen) they can combine in a trade should a blockbuster come available. They also own a desirable young player who isn't getting minutes in Thornton, another in Pondexter, and a $6.2 million trade exception from the Peterson deal.

Posted by NOLATiger86
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 6:32 pm to
Awesome. Thanks
Posted by Dodd
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 6:33 pm to
was Thornton NOT playing because they didn't want him to be trade bait for this deal?

Melo will be in NO less than 30 days
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:30 pm to
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The only player from Toronto I want is Andrea Bargnani

calderon is a really good point guard and would make a great backup, fwiw
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:32 pm to
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That would allow us to pick up a $4 million player

how many quality players are $4M players?
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:34 pm to
Jake >>>> Dell



FACT
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:35 pm to
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he is bigger and can more realistically check 2s.


I wonder what it all means for MT5.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:40 pm to
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Jake >>>> Dell

I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A BAD DEAL

we finally have a legit backup point

i don't like the "dell has only done right" comments for this trade, solely b/c he obviously fricked up when he acquired bayless originally. he's made good moves otherwise, but he's not perfect
Posted by JayJay2
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:50 pm to
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calderon is a really good point guard and would make a great backup, fwiw




Calderon is one of the worst PG's in the league
This post was edited on 11/20/10 at 7:51 pm
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:51 pm to
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calderon is a really good point guard and would make a great backup, fwiw



Calderon makes $9-$11 million a season until the end of the 2012-2013 season, which is a lot of money for a backup.

Jack, OTOH, makes about $5 million a season for the same period of time.


If we were having to lay out about $11 million a season for a traded player, I'd take Iggy over Calderon in a heartbeat.
Posted by JayJay2
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:51 pm to
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was Thornton NOT playing because they didn't want him to be trade bait for this deal?

Melo will be in NO less than 30 days


mmm I don't think you know what you're talking about
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 7:52 pm to
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solely b/c he obviously fricked up when he acquired bayless originally.


yeah what an epic frickup
Posted by Brageous
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:28 pm to
what's the dl on the hornets response to this fo realz? How do we feel as a fan nation?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:35 pm to
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Calderon makes $9-$11 million a season until the end of the 2012-2013 season, which is a lot of money for a backup.

Jack, OTOH, makes about $5 million a season for the same period of time.

i was just saying toronto had more than bargnani, not that we should have gone after calderon
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:36 pm to
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How do we feel as a fan nation?

it's not a major deal and it doesn't have much drawbacks. i'm wondering if we straight up buy out banks
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:39 pm to
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i'm wondering if we straight up buy out banks
Dont see why they do that when they could use his expiring down the line to make another deal
Posted by Pistol...2K4
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:48 pm to
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i don't like the "dell has only done right" comments for this trade, solely b/c he obviously fricked up when he acquired bayless originally. he's made good moves otherwise, but he's not perfect


I've seen no mistakes so far from Dell...Portland basically gave him away , and we got Jarret Jack for a late 1st round pick next year essentially.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 11/20/10 at 8:48 pm to
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i was just saying toronto had more than bargnani, not that we should have gone after calderon


You were implying that Calderon is an asset.

Frankly, I think he's an albatross around the Raptors' necks between that contract and his defensive capabilities.
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