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re: For those BCS lovers who think...
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:23 am to SaltyTiger53
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:23 am to SaltyTiger53
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I cannot comprehend the lack of logic that goes into the BCS System
Only the Big TEn and Pac 10 opposed the 4 team playoff the ACC and SEC proposed.
The Big Ten and Pac 10 currently split the Rose money. Its bigger than the others, in money.
"Why kill the golden goose?", they wonder.
I think the non Big 10 and non Pac 10 need to have their own 8 team tournament (seeded by 'BCS' rank)
the list below is not seeded
1.SEC west
2. SEC east
3. Big 12 south
4. Big 12 north
5. winner of MWC v. WAC
6. winner of Big east v. MAC
7. ACC
8 Our Lady if they qualify as top 8 in the BCS rankings, else one more from the pool, in this year, #5 LSU, in other years, it would be Big 12 south runnerup, Tex or the Okies.
Just let the Big 10+2 and PAc 10+2
have the Rose to themselves and go on without them until they change their tune.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 11:26 am
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Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:35 am to Topwater Trout
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Yet you will argue a system that has obvious flaws year in and year out.
I don't want to be rude here, but when you call someone out without even reading their previous posts, I feel I need to be. I'm FOR a playoff dumbass.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:36 am to Adam Banks
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1. Do you want the rest of the season to matter?
This is the dumbest arguement of them all. Playing for a playoff spot would make the games matter more!
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2. You gonna pay for the hotel room and plane tickets to miami and then the next week to tempe and the next to pasedena to see us play wisconsin boise and TCU?
That is why the playoffs would be played at the higher seeds home field until the championship game. Get the whole bowl game scenario out of your head........we are talking abouit having real playoffs where you play for home field advantage.
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Or do you want a historical matchup vs two historical programs and have an enjoyable vacation in addition to having the prestige of a bowl that has been around for years?
I would rather play at Michigan or have USC play in Tiger stadium.
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Bottom line-bowls make money. You aint gonna get 10 million+ per team per round. Second playoffs cost fans money. Bowls are a one time deal. You are gonna have less actual fan support per round and just corporate seats/local bystanders in attendance.
If you can't fathom how playoffs work I shouldn't expect you to understand how this would work either
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College D-1 football is unique. Thats part of the tradition and what makes it great. Leave it.
Your either 15 years old or must have been against the BCS and wanted things to remain how they were pre BCS since your so worried about tradition.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:40 am to rintintin
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I don't want to be rude here, but when you call someone out without even reading their previous posts, I feel I need to be. I'm FOR a playoff dumbass.
Then don't be dumbass!
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:48 am to Topwater Trout
You keep using playing such and such team at home in the playoffs as part of your argument. But there is no way the bowls and all the money that comes along with them would allow that to happen. If we ever get to a playoffs system you can bet that somehow the bowls will be used to create the rounds.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:48 am to Tigertracks
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I don't understand why we can't have the best of both worlds. An eight team playoff: 6 conference champions plus the 2 highest rated BCS teams. How could this not maintain interest in the regular season, and provide a true champion? Not perfect, but much better than what we have now.
THIS
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:48 am to Topwater Trout
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That is why the playoffs would be played at the higher seeds home field until the championship game. Get the whole bowl game scenario out of your head........we are talking abouit having real playoffs where you play for home field advantage.
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Your either 15 years old or must have been against the BCS and wanted things to remain how they were pre BCS since your so worried about tradition.
Or you must not read any college football articles. Almost all "playoffs" use the current bcs bowls as "rounds" leading up to the championship game.
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That is why the playoffs would be played at the higher seeds home field until the championship game. Get the whole bowl game scenario out of your head........we are talking abouit having real playoffs where you play for home field advantage.
How bout I dont because my scenario is what will happen....Me thinks you are the naive one
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You are gonna have less actual fan support per round and just corporate seats/local bystanders in attendance.
If you can't fathom how playoffs work I shouldn't expect you to understand how this would work either
Your telling me your gonna have 50,000 fans making 3-4 expensive trips after a football season for each game??? Heck no...you may get 10-20,000 actual fans from the school then the rest are going to be residents or corporate sponsors because they wont have to pay travel expenses,
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:54 am to Adam Banks
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Or you must not read any college football articles. Almost all "playoffs" use the current bcs bowls as "rounds" leading up to the championship game.
Just because it is the proposal doesn't mean it is the right way to go.
I see you didn't answer about the change from old bowl format to the BCS. Your so into traditions being upheld why was this ok?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:57 am to Topwater Trout
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Then don't be dumbass!
Well then read the whole thread before you offer your retort to someone.
And I agree with you on the playoff, but I believe an 8 team playoff would be the best route.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:59 am to LoudMatt
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But there is no way the bowls and all the money that comes along with them would allow that to happen. If we ever get to a playoffs system you can bet that somehow the bowls will be used to create the rounds.
Playoffs wouldn't work if they were set up to maintain the bowls. Do you have inside knowledge that a playoff TV contract would not offset Bowl money? Do you think that Tostitos wouldn't advertise etc? The superbowl gets huge payouts from sponsors do you really think a NCAA superbowl wouldn't do the same?
Posted on 11/16/10 at 11:59 am to chilge1
quote:Yeah. At one point we did control our own destiny. I for one love the BCS system. It's one of the things that makes following college football so exciting.
Or just accept that this wasn't our year.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:00 pm to rintintin
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Well then read the whole thread before you offer your retort to someone.
I made a mistake and thought I was replying to someone that was against playoffs.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:00 pm to SaltyTiger53
Playoffs: gives every team a better shot at the NC.
BCS: makes every single game a potential season ruining game.
Either way it makes for an interesting season.
BCS: makes every single game a potential season ruining game.
Either way it makes for an interesting season.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:09 pm to DeafJam73
The ONLY way to make things fair on college football with such vastly different strength of schedules is to have some type of playoff. That is the key. Forget devaluing the regular season. Go find me some value in tcu's schedule this year.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:11 pm to SaltyTiger53
College football regular season isnt as exciting as people claim.
LSU plays in the best conference in the nation and in a good year(like this year) we might play 6 ranked teams. Most years maybe 4, some years maybe 2 or 3.
Half our games are against the Mcneeses, ULLs, ULMs and a 2 or 3 bad SEC teams.
Not that exciting
Now think about teams like Oregon and Nebraska.
Both will play 3 ranked teams all year.
over half there schedule is against very unexciting teams.
Now think about the HOME schedule LSU plays. This year we will play 2 ranked teams at home. How exciting!
But in a playoff you could get 2 additional(both possibly at home) PLAYOFF games against high quality opponents.
Thats exciting.
LSU plays in the best conference in the nation and in a good year(like this year) we might play 6 ranked teams. Most years maybe 4, some years maybe 2 or 3.
Half our games are against the Mcneeses, ULLs, ULMs and a 2 or 3 bad SEC teams.
Not that exciting
Now think about teams like Oregon and Nebraska.
Both will play 3 ranked teams all year.
over half there schedule is against very unexciting teams.
Now think about the HOME schedule LSU plays. This year we will play 2 ranked teams at home. How exciting!
But in a playoff you could get 2 additional(both possibly at home) PLAYOFF games against high quality opponents.
Thats exciting.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:12 pm to Topwater Trout
No inside knowledge but no less conjecture than you. And if you are trying to slam me for not having inside knowledge then what are you doing posting yourself.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:14 pm to Topwater Trout
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Just because it is the proposal doesn't mean it is the right way to go.
let it go. The bowls arent going away. Youd basically be disolving 32 companies if you made the bowls go away.
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see you didn't answer about the change from old bowl format to the BCS. Your so into traditions being upheld why was this ok?
Yes traditional conference selctions were upheld bowl prestige maintained. I liked it. I dont like the new "championship game" it should have been left with rotating through the bowls.
This post was edited on 11/16/10 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:18 pm to bradwieser
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bradwieser
I was in the process of writing the same argument.
This whole notion that the regular season is so much more epic than other sports is immensely exaggerated. There are about 4 or 5 games a year that major programs get up for. This would not change at all if a playoff was implemented.
In an 8 team playoff, a team could easily drop out the top 8 with 1-loss. It would be no different than the current system where 1-loss could potentially ruin your season.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:18 pm to LoudMatt
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No inside knowledge but no less conjecture than you. And if you are trying to slam me for not having inside knowledge then what are you doing posting yourself.
You said it as if it was out of the realm of possibility.
I am posting my opinion.
Posted on 11/16/10 at 12:22 pm to Adam Banks
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let it go. The bowls arent going away. Youd basically be disolving 32 companies if you made the bowls go away.
35! It isn't 32 anymore it is 35.
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Yes traditional conference selctions were upheld bowl prestige maintained. I liked it. I dont like the new "championship game" it should have been left with rotating through the bowls.
Here is your tradition.
1970-11 bowls
1980-15 bowls
1990-19 bowls
2000-25 bowls
2010-35 bowls
We better let in 20-30 more teams to make more bowls or just allow teams with losing records to play in bowl games
There use to be 4 major bowls. Rose,Sugar, Cotton, Orange. Cotton was replaced by Fiesta where is the tradition in that?
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