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Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:18 am to dukke v
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To be honest with ya TCU could have won the East This year.
You lose any and all credibility with this one buddy.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:20 am to SECBengal
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You lose any and all credibility with this one buddy.
+1 He doesn't deserve a reply after that dumb arse statement.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:23 am to SECBengal
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You lose any and all credibility with this one buddy.
Tell me why they wouldn't Just cause they play a soft schedule. The EAST is way down this year.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:24 am to Tigerik
I am one of the biggest SOS pushers around...
But the computers include all that and most of them have TCU > LSU. And they don't even include the fact that TCU has been destroying their opponents while LSU has had multiple close calls.
But the computers include all that and most of them have TCU > LSU. And they don't even include the fact that TCU has been destroying their opponents while LSU has had multiple close calls.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:24 am to FootballNostradamus
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TCU beats LSU by 14.
Whether TCU could beat any given SEC team in a single game is not the point, Nostra-dumbass.
The point is that even this years TCU team would at least have 2 or 3 losses if they had to play an SEC schedule week after week.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:28 am to Ghostfacedistiller
OK DukeV, you went ahead and made me do it:
TCU's opponent rankings by scoring offense/defense:
Oregon St. 59 65
Tenn. Tech (not even in FBS or whatever they call it)
Baylor 26 66
SMU 69 69
Colorado St 107 98
Wyoming 113 97
BYU 101 61
Air Force 45 49
UNLV 115 115
Utah 9 14
Utah has played a worse schedule than probably anyone in the country (2 teams with barely winning records), so their stats were obviously padded, thus overated (TCU's "quality" win along with an average Oregon St. team).
TCU has faced an average offense of 71.55 plus factoring in Utah at 9 and not factoring in Tenn. Tech which does not rank, but would be extremely poor.
TCU has faced an average defense of 70.44 plus factoring in Utah at 14 and not Tenn. Tech
If you take overated Utah out of the equation to equal out the Tenn Tech stats not being included, they have faced an average of the 78.1 offense and 77.5 defense.
Please explain how they "deserve" to be in the NC game because they beat up on some high school teams.
TCU's opponent rankings by scoring offense/defense:
Oregon St. 59 65
Tenn. Tech (not even in FBS or whatever they call it)
Baylor 26 66
SMU 69 69
Colorado St 107 98
Wyoming 113 97
BYU 101 61
Air Force 45 49
UNLV 115 115
Utah 9 14
Utah has played a worse schedule than probably anyone in the country (2 teams with barely winning records), so their stats were obviously padded, thus overated (TCU's "quality" win along with an average Oregon St. team).
TCU has faced an average offense of 71.55 plus factoring in Utah at 9 and not factoring in Tenn. Tech which does not rank, but would be extremely poor.
TCU has faced an average defense of 70.44 plus factoring in Utah at 14 and not Tenn. Tech
If you take overated Utah out of the equation to equal out the Tenn Tech stats not being included, they have faced an average of the 78.1 offense and 77.5 defense.
Please explain how they "deserve" to be in the NC game because they beat up on some high school teams.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:34 am to dukke v
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Tell me why they wouldn't Just cause they play a soft schedule
Most teams in the EAST have the following in contrast to the opponents TCU has played this year:
1.) FASTER Athletes
2.) Stronger Athletes
3.) Better Coaches
4.) Fan Support
5.) Defensive lineman that would oliterate a QB throwing long down the field.
6.) Greater DEPTH at every position
7.) ETC, ETC, ETC
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:45 am to SECBengal
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Tell me why they wouldn't Just cause they play a soft schedule
Most teams in the EAST have the following in contrast to the opponents TCU has played this year:
1.) FASTER Athletes
2.) Stronger Athletes
3.) Better Coaches
4.) Fan Support
5.) Defensive lineman that would oliterate a QB throwing long down the field.
6.) Greater DEPTH at every position
1. Patterson's entire strategy is based on speed. He takes RBs and makes them DEs. He takes Safeties and makes them LBs. You don't know what you're talking about so STFU!
2. Patterson also swears by redshirting. This allows his players an extra year in his superb S&C program and it's why he has one of the strongest OLs and DLs in the country each year.
3. Florida had better coaching with Mullen and Strong, not anymore.
4. Just won on the road against a team with the 3rd longest home winning streak; fan support means shite.
5. Their OL is top 5 in the nation. Their QB gets the ball out as fast as any.
6. Again they have tons of depth due to continuous redshirting of almost entire recruiting classes
Just about every point of yours is an assumption you based off all non-AQ teams and proves you don't watch TCU.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:46 am to SouGent
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The point is that even this years TCU team would at least have 2 or 3 losses if they had to play an SEC schedule week after week.
I agree that TCU does not play as good a schedule and LSU and I don't like that they are rewarded regardless. However, this point has no validity because it has no evidence whatsoever to back it up--pure speculation.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 9:59 am to FootballNostradamus
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1. Patterson's entire strategy is based on speed. He takes RBs and makes them DEs. He takes Safeties and makes them LBs. You don't know what you're talking about so STFU!
2. Patterson also swears by redshirting. This allows his players an extra year in his superb S&C program and it's why he has one of the strongest OLs and DLs in the country each year.
3. Florida had better coaching with Mullen and Strong, not anymore.
4. Just won on the road against a team with the 3rd longest home winning streak; fan support means shite.
5. Their OL is top 5 in the nation. Their QB gets the ball out as fast as any.
6. Again they have tons of depth due to continuous redshirting of almost entire recruiting classes
Just about every point of yours is an assumption you based off all non-AQ teams and proves you don't watch TCU.
I live in the Dallas area and actually went to the game against Wyoming. (A friend had tickets and I also attended a car auction in FW). It was like watching two JUCO's play football in a High school stadium. Very sad and laughable to see the bandwagon fans. The points listed in my previous post are still valid.
This post was edited on 11/9/10 at 10:13 am
Posted on 11/9/10 at 10:34 am to SECBengal
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I live in the Dallas area and actually went to the game against Wyoming. (A friend had tickets and I also attended a car auction in FW). It was like watching two JUCO's play football in a High school stadium. Very sad and laughable to see the bandwagon fans. The points listed in my previous post are still valid.
You might as well have said "I'm lying about having gone to the Wyoming game" after you said TCU was like watching a JUCO team play.
How are any of your points still valid? Have you read any of Patterson's articles on speed and strength? Who in the SEC East has better coaching than them? Dalton gets the ball out as fast as any QB, what dominant SEC East DL would hammer him?
Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:15 am to KCSBIGPAPA
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You are right! They would not be undefeated if they'd played the 5 ranked teams LSU has already faced. Period.
Nostradamus has a point that TCU could play in any conference w/ success this year, but "undefeated in the SEC" NO WAY DUDE!
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But, if they had to play a SEC, Big 12, Big 10 schedule they wouldn't be undefeated.
You are right! They would not be undefeated if they'd played the 5 ranked teams LSU has already faced. Period.
Nostradamus has a point that TCU could play in any conference w/ success this year, but "undefeated in the SEC" NO WAY DUDE!
Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:24 am to FootballNostradamus
Hey FootballNostradamus:
Your quote:
Are you basing this on their defensive stats this year? These are skewed my friend since their opponents and weak & under .500 combined! The teams they've stopped do not include strong offense teams like Auburn, Arkansas, or anyone with a national ranking in offense.
You are clearly biased, and not dealing with the facts. Your emotions & opinions are strong, and I can respect that, and I agree TCU is a very strong team, but I cannot respect what they've done this year based on the SOS. PERIOD!
Your quote:
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They (TCU) have the best defense in the nation, period
Are you basing this on their defensive stats this year? These are skewed my friend since their opponents and weak & under .500 combined! The teams they've stopped do not include strong offense teams like Auburn, Arkansas, or anyone with a national ranking in offense.
You are clearly biased, and not dealing with the facts. Your emotions & opinions are strong, and I can respect that, and I agree TCU is a very strong team, but I cannot respect what they've done this year based on the SOS. PERIOD!
Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:30 am to SECBengal
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Both TCU and Bosie State employ the same offense. Put a good athlete at WR and have them outrun the secondary. Throw ball to WR.
Of course, that type of offense scores tons of points, but won't work against athletic defenses.
TCU and Boise State's defenses are geared how our football team prepared in High School. The opposing team has maybe 1 or 2 players that you practice to stop. In Big Boy college football(LSU, Auburn, SEC,etc.) you have to account for all position players.
TCU and Boise State does a very good job at saying 'Well, we can only play our schedule'. What they're not saying is 'We made our schedule super easy so we can win a lot of games.'
I can tell youve never watched boise play.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:36 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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I agree that TCU does not play as good a schedule and LSU and I don't like that they are rewarded regardless
Your agreement is good but not needed. The "cold hard facts", which is what this string is about support that regardless of anything else, yes anything else, TCU has played a much much easier schedule than LSU this year.
That's the reason they're undefeated, and unfortunately for LSU, TCU's schedule gets no tougher, so you'll end up with an undefeated TCU who has really played nobody of note.
Kind of an empty feeling if you ask me. What's interesting is the human polls love them due to their pounding these weaker teams.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:41 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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The point is that even this years TCU team would at least have 2 or 3 losses if they had to play an SEC schedule week after week.
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I agree that TCU does not play as good a schedule and LSU and I don't like that they are rewarded regardless. However, this point has no validity because it has no evidence whatsoever to back it up--pure speculation.
To say it is speculation if TCU would have a couple of losses with an SEC schedule is the exact same thing as saying TCU could beat a quality opponent (if they had to face one this year in the regular season).
pot meet kettle
Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:48 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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I don't like that they are rewarded regardless
TCU is being rewarded for being 33-3 since 2008.
Boise St. is 34-1 since 2008. The only team they've lost to is TCU.
That's what these teams are being rewarded for. Whether you agree with it or not, they've earned a shot at the National title by consistent performance for a sustained period of time. But they'll only get it if there aren't two undefeated BCS teams.
Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:14 am to jmath23lsu
quote:This...Whether you like it or not is how it is!
Whether you agree with it or not, they've earned a shot at the National title by consistent performance for a sustained period of time. But they'll only get it if there aren't two undefeated BCS teams.
Let them prove it in a NC game. So what! What are you all worried about? That they may win??? Or that they will take the spot of a one loss AQ team?
The cold hard fact here is that LSU has struggled in some games it shouldn't have and is lucky to only have one loss.
Whether TCU would lose more games with LSUs schedule is purely speculation. And don't tell me if the MNC came down to TCU vs LSU that wouldn't be a good game. Because you just don’t know that! It very well could be a GREAT game.
As for Boise....Phffft! I say they don't get to play in a bowl until they get a proper field!
Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:17 am to Tigerik
I would be more pissed if Boise state were to go fwiw
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