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re: Note to Out of State Alums
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:48 am to carrell
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:48 am to carrell
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Why would out-of-state alums be motivated to support the university when the university won't support them?
Reverse this and it's more realistic. Why should the university (which has LONG been a bargain) give a handout to alums' children when we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school? Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy. Basically by removing the legacy aspect, we improve the incoming student bodies. If one's out-of-state kid is too dumb to get a scholarship to LSU, I really don't care. Yes, that sounds elitist, but so be it. It's improving the quality of my university's students, and saving money.
Are Legacy scholarships really that far off from socialist-leaning programs like affirmative action? You basically reward someone who hasn't been as proven to deserve it as others. Giving someone a perk just for being the son/daughter of the right person.
How about you earn your education instead. If you can't get a scholarship to LSU, you really don't belong. Yes, that means some of you guys' dumb kids can't attend. Too bad. Most of you deserve it for giving back so little. Sorry.
Those that do give back, you have an argument. That's probably the future of Legacy scholarships. Pay-to-play.
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I think this is an incredibly short-sighted policy on the part of the Chancellor.
The chancellor is at a point where he basically has no choice. He's going to have to cut some critical programs. He's fricked regardless because it's gotten to where he can't just trim fat or throw out pointless programs. He has to cut important stuff.
Those of you who are critical of him for this really have no leg to stand on. You really think he wants to do this? You really think he hasn't exhausted all other options? He's basically running into the same shite all of our chancellors at LSU, LSUHC, everywhere in the system/state always do. fricking politics. We're getting fricked by the state. Martin's basically a commanding officer that has to chose which of his men has to die. It's not his fault that he has to make a choice, but he has to pick someone. And this is only the beginning.
If these money concerns were over not being able to field more than 20 scholarships a year in football, everyone would immediately fling their pocketbooks out. It's disgusting.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 7:04 am
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Posted on 8/27/10 at 7:20 am to RemouladeSawce
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Reverse this and it's more realistic. Why should the university (which has LONG been a bargain) give a handout to alums' children when we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school? Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy. Basically by removing the legacy aspect, we improve the incoming student bodies. If one's out-of-state kid is too dumb to get a scholarship to LSU, I really don't care. Yes, that sounds elitist, but so be it. It's improving the quality of my university's students, and saving money.
I will just say this....
I'm VERY knowledgable about all of this. Rockyn is pretty much dead on.
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Are Legacy scholarships really that far off from socialist-leaning programs like affirmative action? You basically reward someone who hasn't been as proven to deserve it as others. Giving someone a perk just for being the son/daughter of the right person.
Bingo. And to the tune of 75% OFF of the Out Of State tuition fees. NEARLY EVERYONE got it. Barely meet admission standards and are a legacy? 75% off. What a joke. But hey, it helped to jack up the enrollment numbers. And don't get me started on what LSU does to get these numbers up too. Part of the problem...but that's another story.
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How about you earn your education instead. If you can't get a scholarship to LSU, you really don't belong. Yes, that means some of you guys' dumb kids can't attend. Too bad. Most of you deserve it for giving back so little. Sorry.
Another BOOM.
Know one of the reasons why LSU was a Tier 3 University for so long (until they softened up the standards)? One of the factors was alumni donations back to the school. Rockyn already highlighted this.
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Those that do give back, you have an argument. That's probably the future of Legacy scholarships. Pay-to-play.
That is EXACTLY the future..
I will stop now.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 8:49 am to RemouladeSawce
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Why should the university (which has LONG been a bargain) give a handout to alums' children
I don't know how the financial support from the state actually works, let's say the base cost of 1 student for tuition if $5000. Does the state kick in $2000 per in-state student, making the amount due from an in-state student $3000? If so, then the university is losing the $2000 for each legacy scholarship? Or was that $2000 supposed to be supplied from some sort of fund, endowment, etc.? Did the design of the legacy program call for some amount of contribution from the alumni association to cover this amount?
Or does the state just contribute a fixed amount based on tax revenue, regardless of how many in-state students are there in a given semester?
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when we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school?
certainly a problem...
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Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy. Basically by removing the legacy aspect, we improve the incoming student bodies.
just anecdotal, but as a random observation I've made at reunions, family events, etc. I've gone back to through the years, the ones that move away typically have better educated kids than the ones that stay in Louisiana. just my opinion...
Posted on 8/27/10 at 9:39 am to RemouladeSawce
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we have the smallest alumni association in the conference and everyone gives all of their fricking money to TAF and never to the school?
I think this is a critical point. For all of the people who supposedly love LSU, there is little support for the school compared to other SEC universities.
This is a prominent LSU message board and I haven't seen too many posts about the proposed cuts to a lot of the programs and services at LSU. Many of the posts I have seen discuss "trimming the fat" at LSU. It seems like a lot of people don't really care about what is happening at the university until it affects them. There are a lot of major issues that are going to stem from these cuts.
Posted on 8/28/10 at 4:26 am to RemouladeSawce
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Rockyn
Smart out-of-state kids can EASILY get merit scholarships. In fact, it's insanely easy.
Your argument about being able to go to LSU by being well-accomplished and out-of-state doesn't add up.
Scholarships always have limited funds, and if the choice is between a single out-of-state student versus two or three in-state students, even if they are not as accomplished, guess who is NOT going to get the scholarship.
Why? Because the out-of-state fees are going to greatly increase the cost of out-of-state merit scholarships.
This is what is known as the law of unintended consequences.
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