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royalty question for a family member

Posted on 6/23/10 at 9:55 pm
Posted by cajunatc
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2003
2463 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 9:55 pm
if anyone with expertise in "pool money" would not mind helping out I would be greatly appreciative.

family member has 35 acres in a pool in a natural gas well near many/mansfield area. the well is not on her land, however she is in the pool. that company guy "CLAIMED" that the well was producing well above average (28 million) so he claimed. would anyone be able to approximate how much this person would be making per month?

35 acres sounds like a lot, but the well is not leased on this persons land.

thanks for the insight

Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:11 pm to
It can vary greatly,

Depends on the price of Natural gas and the amount produced for the month.

When the price goes down they sometimes cut back production to near nothing.

Posted by cajunatc
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2003
2463 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:14 pm to
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9578 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:25 pm to
What royalty is she getting paid? Assuming the section is a full 640 acres, then her participation in the unit is as follows:

35/640*RI

This give you your participation in the GU. From there, you'll need to know what the market price of the gas is. A conservative estimate would be b/w $3.50 and $4.00/mcf, but that doesn't include any expenses the company is paying for. If it's really putting out 28,000,000, I'd imagine it's pretty significant.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

Assuming the section is a full 640 acres


Poor assumption.
Posted by cajunatc
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2003
2463 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:52 pm to
thats one of my biggest questions...the well is on another persons property so she has no lease with that company...only the pool has her land on it 35 acres and she is on the pay roll to get royalties...is there a standard royalty for people in a pool that are not lease holders?
Posted by JWS3
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
2502 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 11:24 pm to
She is what is called an "unleased mineral owner". All of the drilling units/sections for natural gas in that area other than a few that border lakes are 640 acres. She will be entitled to 35/650 x Price of gas - production expenses. However, this will not happen until after the well has producded enough gas to pay for the cost of drilling it. Current cost is to drill a haynseville welll is around 7 million. It is likely that the well has been completed and tested, but is waiting on pipeline construction to carry the gas to marget, and there have been on rolaty payments. All of the information you need can probably be found on

gohaynesvilleshale.com
This post was edited on 6/23/10 at 11:29 pm
Posted by chauncey1
Member since May 2010
297 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 6:50 am to
FYI. 28 million is SCF units(standard cubic feet). Gas is sold in MCF(thousand cubic feet) units.
So 28,000,000 SCF= 28,000 MCF= 28 MMCF. Gas closed yesterday at $4.793/MCF.

Assuming that production rate and knowing the area I'd say it's 99.9% chance it's Haynesville. Haynesville units in LA are typically 640 unit acres. 28 MMCFD is most likely the IP.
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 6:53 am
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8124 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 10:06 am to
at current natural gas prices $4.80...

and assuming 25% to the landowners...

28000000*0.25*(35/640)/1000*$4.80=1,837.50/day*30day/month

$55,125 / month.

Now, there are a few fees etc that will bring this down. Also, as a previous poster said, this will vary widely with natural gas prices. The check should have the nat gas price for the month on it. Also, the checks normally run 2-4 months behind.

I'm assuming she signed a lease and was not force pooled etc. That would completely change things.
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 10:09 am
Posted by cajunatc
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2003
2463 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 10:33 am to
that is the most confusing thing...in that 650 acres, does the production company have to have leases with everyone in the pool? also if 100 different familys have land in the pool and they all get 25% royalty, how does that add up?

not sure of her lease for the 35, however the same company that she i know she signed a lease for the rest of her land is starting production on a new rig soon on her land.

much appreciation for the feedback
Posted by Rantavious
Bossier ''get down'' City
Member since Jan 2007
2121 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Poor assumption.


?tell us what acreage you would have assumed?
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14520 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

28000000



Change that to 28k

nevermind I'm an idiot and didn't see the divison at the end
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 12:20 pm
Posted by ShreveportTiger07
Shreveport
Member since Apr 2009
255 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 12:20 pm to
Ok here are the basics of Louisiana pooling and unitization:

When an oil company wants to drill for oil under land, they naturally drain oil/gas from neighboring tracts even though the well is next door. This happens even if they drill vertically only. So, neighboring mineral owners rightly expect to be compensated for their share of the minerals extracted.

To address this need, Louisiana "pools" all the minerals in a given area into one Unit. The area, especially with Haynesville wells, is typically a 640 acre (1 square mile) block called a section.

So if XYZ company drills a well on a 40 acre tract in that unit, everyone in that unit is entitled to their pro rata share of the costs and revenues. If you own 320 acres of minerals, you are entitled to 50% (320/640) of the costs and 50% of the revenues, even if someone else drills the well.

Since the costs of a Haynesville well are $8-$10 million, most people choose to lease their rights to a company in exchange for a flat dollar amount (called a bonus) and a percentage of their pro rata share of the royalty.

So if you have 320 acres and you lease with a 25% royalty you are now entitled to 25% of 50% of the revenues and little to no costs.

If you lease to someone and they're not the company drilling (called the operator), you are still entitled to royalties just as if you leased to the operator. The leasing company either sold the lease to the operator or has put up the pro rata share of the costs themselves.

Bottom line is this: if you leased your 35 acres at 25% Royalty and there is a producing well you are entitled to 25% of 5.5% (35/640) of the royalty, or a net 1.36% of everything that comes out of the ground - give or take some taxes and costs if applicable.

I doubt the well is currently making 28 mmcf. That was likely where it started, but these wells taper off a good bit. I have royalty in a well in the same area that came on at 18 mmcf in December and is now pretty steady at 6 mmcf a day.
Posted by cajunatc
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2003
2463 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 12:45 pm to
thanks for the explination...i really appreciate it..
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