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Computer Model Showing Oil Spill Getting to Atlantic Ocean

Posted on 6/4/10 at 9:05 pm
Posted by paulie
NOLA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/4/10 at 9:05 pm
Just a model though and the amount of uncertainty has to be out of the roof.

Computer model of Spill

Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 9:33 pm to
Maybe it will all end up in jolly ole England.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
128896 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 10:02 pm to
They are about as good at predicting where this oil will go as they are about predicting where hurricanes will go.


In other words they don't really know.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 10:44 pm to
they're probably a lot better at forecasting hurricanes


that's not saying much about this model
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15595 posts
Posted on 6/4/10 at 10:48 pm to
The Atlantic is a lot bigger than the gulf and should be able to break the oil down better.
This post was edited on 6/4/10 at 10:49 pm
Posted by paulie
NOLA
Member since Dec 2007
675 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 4:25 am to
I know a lot of PhD scientists probably spent a lot of time deriving this model, but there are so many variables such as:

1) gulf currents including the gulf stream
2) three dimensional bottom of the gulf due to the continental shelf and deep water gulf
3) dispersant used; droplet size of the oil
4) oil that never sees dispersant and floats to the top
5) winds
6) tropical storms / hurricanes that pass through the gulf in the next couple of months
7) gulf water temperatures
8) evaporation of water / hydrocarbons
9) thermodynamics of the gulf
10) leak rate of a two - phase flow of oil / gas which is still estimated
11) what else did I forget???

It is also not a steady state process since much of the oil was released weeks ago. Differential equations and all of that advanced mathematics comes into play with a dynamic model.

The more I look at the model the more it looks most influenced by the gulf stream. If you look at google earth one notices that the Macondo prospect (site of the Deep Water Horizon) is on the edge of the continental shelf. Has to make you wonder if the use of dispersant is to hopefully keep the oil floating down to the depths of the gulf instead of rising to the top of the continental shelf which borders all of La, Ms, Al, and Fl.

In due respect of these peoples' research though, there will be much learned about how the effects of this oil spill in real world compares to the model so that the model can be improved in the future for other events (although I hope that never happens again).

All of that doesn't change the disaster we are currently experiencing which has affected so many lives and our way of living on the gulf coast. But we have to start somewhere... 1st with understanding what really happened to lead to the sequence of events on that terrible day which was ironically the day before the 40th anniversary of Earth Day and 2nd with using science and mathematics to better predict response in the future.

And with those thoughts, I believe Einstein said it best with his quote, "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

- Albert Einstein

good night good people; let's hope they make some progress on this thing tomorrow.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 6:17 am to
I wasn't quite as worried before I found out how far away from "The Loop" Ixtoc I was. I figured it would be at least a year or more until the oil found its way around FL. It will be devastating if it starts up the East coast, environmentally and economically.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34200 posts
Posted on 6/5/10 at 9:05 am to
I do not believe this was a scientific model. More or less a schematic to show how the oil might disperse.

However, it should be noted that the contental shelf supports a large fishery of tuna, billfish, and other. It has been reported that tuna may be knocked back a decade or more as a result of this. Tuna spawning grounds are on the shelf off the Mississippi River. The larvae will float up get caught in the oil and die.
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