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Do you think it was just one moron that caused this?
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:19 pm
Do you think that we will be able to track this disaster to the bad decision of one person?
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Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:22 pm to Chicken
No, they might put that on someone but money will play into this without a doubt.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:24 pm to Chicken
Well since you're the popular poster here I'll just hijack your thread.
Why not hire a bunch of 10 year olds to operate those ROV's.
This shite would have been fixed already had they let kids play those video games.
Why not hire a bunch of 10 year olds to operate those ROV's.
This shite would have been fixed already had they let kids play those video games.
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:25 pm to Chicken
Hell no.
BP is just as much at fault as Transocean. This event took a whole bunch of morons.
BP is just as much at fault as Transocean. This event took a whole bunch of morons.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:27 pm to TigerFred
BP was calling the shots on that rig and they are the ones that chose to take the shortcut on the last plug. They need to take responsibility for their screw up
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:29 pm to Chicken
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Do you think that we will be able to track this disaster to the bad decision of one person?
I believe it will be tracked back to a few bad decisions and a few tested safety devices that failed to work.
DO I think that there is one man behind all this? Definitely Not unless that one person made all the poor judgements allowing the well to kick and that same person did poor maintenance on the BOPs or falsified BOP test documents...
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:30 pm to Chicken
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Do you think that we will be able to track this disaster to the bad decision of one person?
Regarding the actual cause of the explosion, I think it's possible that the actions of one person was the straw that broke the camel's back, but more likely the decisions of more than one person are involved. Regarding the conditions leading up the the explosion and the capability (or lack thereof) to contain the damage, I think the biggest culprit will be the climate of deregulation that has existed for decades.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:30 pm to cajun12
Anyone who thinks that Transocean is an innocent party is naive. When this investigation is concluded Transocean is going to have just as much blame as BP.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:31 pm to TigerFred
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BP is just as much at fault as Transocean. This event took a whole bunch of morons.
For some reason, no one ever includes Halliburton who did the (allegedly) crappy cement job and Cameron who built the BOP that didn't work.
However, I have heard rumors that BP told Halliburton to do the cement job that way. It by no means absolves Halliburton, but it does add some more blame on BP.
Has anyone heard a reason that the BOP didn't work? I heard there was a dead battery and that BP has some restrictions on where the BOP controls are, but I never heard an explanation.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:35 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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Cameron who built the BOP that didn't work.
Just because they built doesn't mean that Cameron has been maintaining it or testing it.
There are a number of theories on why the BOP didn't work which include poor maintenance as well as a few other theories.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:42 pm to TigerFred
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Just because they built doesn't mean that Cameron has been maintaining it or testing it.
I am not saying they are to blame for sure, but other than Cameron industries not being a fun company for the media to stab at, I don't see why they weren't the first company in the crosshairs for blame.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 12:56 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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I am not saying they are to blame for sure, but other than Cameron industries not being a fun company for the media to stab at, I don't see why they weren't the first company in the crosshairs for blame.
It is my understanding that modifications were made to the BOP. Modifications were not done by Cameron. Basically voided any "warranty"/liability. Just what I've heard.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:03 pm to Decatur
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I think the biggest culprit will be the climate of deregulation that has existed for decades.
What do you know about the O&G industry? Seriously....I love all of these armchair quarterbacks who come on here bitching and complaining, and have zero idea what they're complaining about. They see a 3 minute news story and all of a sudden they feel they're an authority on a subject.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:13 pm to TJG210
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What do you know about the O&G industry? Seriously....I love all of these armchair quarterbacks who come on here bitching and complaining, and have zero idea what they're complaining about. They see a 3 minute news story and all of a sudden they feel they're an authority on a subject.
I've never claimed to be an authority...you're attacking a claim I never made. That's pretty fricking juvenile.
Regarding deregulation, I think it's damn obvious.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:28 pm to Decatur
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Regarding deregulation, I think it's damn obvious.
Please explain. I don't know much on the subject.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:29 pm to EWE TIGER
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t is my understanding that modifications were made to the BOP. Modifications were not done by Cameron. Basically voided any "warranty"/liability
The BOP was made in the Cameron plant where I live in '97-'98. There was a 5 yr. service contract in place with the purchase. The service contract was never renewed and so-said modifications were made to the BOP after that point.
Cameron is basically off the hook IMO.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:36 pm to bodean45
No one person makes decisions with BP. Everything goes through a chain of command so I don't see this being one person's fault. Engineers, company men, and office support would have all been involved.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:38 pm to redstick13
Deregulation? Freaking MMS has never ever backed off on anything. You can toss that idea out the window.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 1:46 pm to TJG210
I have never worked in the oil industry,but have a friend who was a PE (retired)and has shut down jobs as per the company regulations and rules. Then after following their protocol,you run the chance of getting called down for your actions. They also said,the ones that push into the gray area of job safety,and keep jobs moving forward,despite what the regulations state,are praised. Basically what they were saying is there are rules in place to prevent failures,that are sometimes overlooked. Also if you are working in this gray area and something goes wrong,there is the possibility the company might roll over on you for not following company regulations. All industry works in the gray area from time to time. I would also like to state that the amount of oil we are pulling out the ground in comparison to the number of accidents seems pretty low. My two cents.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 2:12 pm to TheHiddenFlask
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Please explain. I don't know much on the subject.
You can start by reading up on how the rules were changed to exempt companies like BP from filing blowout plans.
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