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re: I'm feeling guilty over this...
Posted on 5/30/10 at 12:56 pm to FTBLFN
Posted on 5/30/10 at 12:56 pm to FTBLFN
I feel ya, bro. Putting gas in the lawn mower yesterday just got me depressed. Addicted to gasoline, nicotine, and a technicolor screen. Thinking about disconnecting from it all and buying a nice organic vineyard in chile or argentina. Contrary to what these enraged "anti-hippies" think, there is nothing wrong with wanting to shrink your footprint. Raise the next generation to be more responsible than the previous ones.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 4:10 pm to Luke4LSU
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And Brazil chopped down a shite-ton of irreplaceable Amazonian rainforst to plant sugarcane to make ethanol so that they could be "green
Luke:
There isn't one sugarcane plantation in Brazil anywhere near the Amazon. 65% of the cane in Brazil is in Sao Paulo state. The rest is in Pernambuco and some starting to be in Matto Grosso and Goais. Also, you may want to check your facts. Brazilian sugarcane is positive 1:8 on the energy balance and I believe any Brazilian will tell you that the air in Sao Paulo city is a helluva lot cleaner since flex cars became the norm.
But, what do I know, I've only been to Brazil about a hundred times.
It just sucks that some in the media has decided to portray the Brazilian sugarcane industry as the environmental devil. When, again, in fact there are no plantations near the Amazon and the industry is so green, they are considering penalties for putting a drop of hydraulic oil on the ground.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 4:37 pm to subMOA
No need to feel guilty.
Do something to change it.
When you think you need to get into your big gas guzzling truck, ask one of your neighbors or friends if there's something you can pick up for them while you are out. Since you're already on the road, it'll reduce their gas/oil consumption.
Or if you put gas into your lawn mower, take the clippings and start a compost bin in your back yard. So instead of throwing away all organic stuff, like orange peels or bread that you don't eat, you can make compost. Less trash you are throwing away, less for the trash companies to haul, reducing their gas consumption.
Little steps, big results.
Do something to change it.
When you think you need to get into your big gas guzzling truck, ask one of your neighbors or friends if there's something you can pick up for them while you are out. Since you're already on the road, it'll reduce their gas/oil consumption.
Or if you put gas into your lawn mower, take the clippings and start a compost bin in your back yard. So instead of throwing away all organic stuff, like orange peels or bread that you don't eat, you can make compost. Less trash you are throwing away, less for the trash companies to haul, reducing their gas consumption.
Little steps, big results.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 5:57 pm to FTBLFN
we wont be done with oil
but we can cut back enough to not need to go to war over it.
but we can cut back enough to not need to go to war over it.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 6:16 pm to omegaman66
Biodiesel from legitimate food sources is insane. Think about it.
There are starving people in the world and you are literally burning your food because you can. Want to talk about messed up?Also, an agricultural disaster could cause a major shortage of fuel.
Biodiesel from baggas (sp?) or wood based byproducts is much less insane, but probably can't produce the amounts needed to make a country energy independent.
The real solution is to keep funding research to revolutionize the automobile industry and end the use of the internal combustion engine.
There are starving people in the world and you are literally burning your food because you can. Want to talk about messed up?Also, an agricultural disaster could cause a major shortage of fuel.
Biodiesel from baggas (sp?) or wood based byproducts is much less insane, but probably can't produce the amounts needed to make a country energy independent.
The real solution is to keep funding research to revolutionize the automobile industry and end the use of the internal combustion engine.
Posted on 5/30/10 at 6:31 pm to TheHiddenFlask
I don't think making fuels out of foodstuffs is the way to go either.
Perhaps hydrogen technology will advance quickly, because that seems the only realistic answer at the moment...especially for applications where power is an issue (towing, 18-wheelers, etc).
However, Nissan has hit on a pretty neat idea with the leaf and the Middle TN area is really buying into it. The Leaf isn't quite the bang for the $$$ that the really efficient hybrid cars are (Prius & Insight), but the technology has to start somewhere. If someone has enough anti-oil & anti-emission conviction, this little car is about the only answer for now.
Oh...it reportedly handles like a 6 cylinder car.
But you'll have to wait til 2012 if you want one, because the 2011 models are sold out...6 months before they even go on sale.
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Perhaps hydrogen technology will advance quickly, because that seems the only realistic answer at the moment...especially for applications where power is an issue (towing, 18-wheelers, etc).
However, Nissan has hit on a pretty neat idea with the leaf and the Middle TN area is really buying into it. The Leaf isn't quite the bang for the $$$ that the really efficient hybrid cars are (Prius & Insight), but the technology has to start somewhere. If someone has enough anti-oil & anti-emission conviction, this little car is about the only answer for now.
Oh...it reportedly handles like a 6 cylinder car.
But you'll have to wait til 2012 if you want one, because the 2011 models are sold out...6 months before they even go on sale.
LINK /
Posted on 5/31/10 at 10:11 am to FTBLFN
How many vehicles are there in Brazil per acre of land available to grow sugar cane. Probably quite a few less than in the US.
Posted on 5/31/10 at 10:18 am to FTBLFN
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I'll just be glad when we're done with it.
You'll be dead
Posted on 5/31/10 at 1:51 pm to subMOA
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I write this post from Brazil....
I wish that "I" was writing this post from Brasil!!!
Posted on 5/31/10 at 2:34 pm to TigerDom
IMO, algae oil looks the most promising. At least our gas tanks wouldn't be competing with out stomachs. Algae farms can be set up anywhere, even in the middle of the dessert as long as fresh water can be pumped in. Additionally, I read that one acre of algae oil production can yield 100,000 gallons of fuel per year. Also, algae can be bio-tweaked to yield different classes of fuels...
This post was edited on 5/31/10 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/31/10 at 5:52 pm to Sophandros
This is a great post, though I will add that environmental reasons are useful as well.
Even if you leave out hippy dippy reasons; I do like to fish, hunt sometimes, eat seafood, visit the beach, ride in boats..you know all that good stuff that's screwed up now.
Even if you leave out hippy dippy reasons; I do like to fish, hunt sometimes, eat seafood, visit the beach, ride in boats..you know all that good stuff that's screwed up now.
Posted on 5/31/10 at 7:46 pm to homecat
this problem was created by corporate America and politics. The desire for dividends and lobbying allowed the oil companies to drill without back up systems in place that are required in every country in the world that has offshore drilling except us. don't feel guilty about using oil and gas. i would never want to stop offshore drilling because then we become more dependent on foreign oil and you can bet they will us it to get to us. but yes we do need to get to where we are less dependent and find other sources of energy.
Posted on 6/1/10 at 8:23 am to LSUPEPPER
if you feel that bad, sell all your stuff and buy a horse and buggy
Posted on 6/1/10 at 9:53 am to FTBLFN
Just some thoughts on this thread (to no one in particular)
Brazil-much of the rain forest was taken through govt incentives to increase tax revenue on 'wasted land' that wasn't bringing in enough taxes...for the govt. Rather than attempt restoration, some of this land is now used towards biofuels. The 'stop the bleeding' effect seen in the gulf of Mexico is a lot like the rain forest, but in faster motion.....and in both cases you don't SEE the species disappearing due to the clouds (one of smoke, the other oil).
--A lot of the current oil disaster fault is HUMAN error--just like in airline crashes, just like in car wrecks, just like in 3 Mile Island, etc. ...what, no failsafes?
....Nothing is free. You have to do the real work and get the results. You have to hold people accountable for their actions. You can't 'cheat' and keep trimming costs with an oil rig, with a nuke, with driver's ed.
Nuclear- great idea, and I'm mostly pro nuke. But if we have 10,000 nuke plants, something will inevitably go VERY wrong....it's just math. As long as we keep our nuclear expertise and don't cut costs, we will stay mostly safe.
--We too can be energy independent, but wind and solar ain't gonna get us there. Just like with food, we waste more than we actually need right now...and the only way to stop that is to let the price go up and bleed out the unneeded things in our lives....not with stupid speculation markets, but with demand over time.
Conservation? The C word? Nobody wants to talk about that.
--SUV's, etc. It's not economically viable for some of the owners to buy a better MPG car, so why buy it? My Expedition has little maintenance compared to a new BMW. And I'm not trying to impress anyone while I commute, so I keep my 8 year old car. If gas gets too expensive, I may even sell my twin engine Sea Ray that gets 2 MPG, but then I'd lose my second home tax writeoff, and I'd have no excuse to irritate the Vol navy every 5 years or so (or host Bama-LSU beerfests).
Besides, I've used my boat on bird counts, and other nature related activities, so I may be breaking even.
Lawns-I rarely cut mine....just enough to shut the neighbors up. I'm 'too hippy(?)' to overly care about how long my grass is and what color, but can identify most species in my lawn--CAN YOU? If I grow Morefield's leather flower in my yard rather than grass, is that a good thing?
Brazil-much of the rain forest was taken through govt incentives to increase tax revenue on 'wasted land' that wasn't bringing in enough taxes...for the govt. Rather than attempt restoration, some of this land is now used towards biofuels. The 'stop the bleeding' effect seen in the gulf of Mexico is a lot like the rain forest, but in faster motion.....and in both cases you don't SEE the species disappearing due to the clouds (one of smoke, the other oil).
--A lot of the current oil disaster fault is HUMAN error--just like in airline crashes, just like in car wrecks, just like in 3 Mile Island, etc. ...what, no failsafes?
....Nothing is free. You have to do the real work and get the results. You have to hold people accountable for their actions. You can't 'cheat' and keep trimming costs with an oil rig, with a nuke, with driver's ed.
Nuclear- great idea, and I'm mostly pro nuke. But if we have 10,000 nuke plants, something will inevitably go VERY wrong....it's just math. As long as we keep our nuclear expertise and don't cut costs, we will stay mostly safe.
--We too can be energy independent, but wind and solar ain't gonna get us there. Just like with food, we waste more than we actually need right now...and the only way to stop that is to let the price go up and bleed out the unneeded things in our lives....not with stupid speculation markets, but with demand over time.
Conservation? The C word? Nobody wants to talk about that.
--SUV's, etc. It's not economically viable for some of the owners to buy a better MPG car, so why buy it? My Expedition has little maintenance compared to a new BMW. And I'm not trying to impress anyone while I commute, so I keep my 8 year old car. If gas gets too expensive, I may even sell my twin engine Sea Ray that gets 2 MPG, but then I'd lose my second home tax writeoff, and I'd have no excuse to irritate the Vol navy every 5 years or so (or host Bama-LSU beerfests).
Besides, I've used my boat on bird counts, and other nature related activities, so I may be breaking even.
Lawns-I rarely cut mine....just enough to shut the neighbors up. I'm 'too hippy(?)' to overly care about how long my grass is and what color, but can identify most species in my lawn--CAN YOU? If I grow Morefield's leather flower in my yard rather than grass, is that a good thing?
Posted on 6/1/10 at 11:07 am to lashinala
oil will be the primary source of energy for our lifetimes. It has been 87% of our energy for something like 50 years.
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