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Great article on the Horizon Disaster........

Posted on 5/29/10 at 8:02 pm
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 8:02 pm
Read an article from yesterdays Wall Street Journal chronicling the series of events that led up to and the aftermatch of the disaster. It was extremely well written and was by far the most comprehenive article I saw on it. I wish I could link it, but I think it had members access only.

One interesting thing I took from it was that the woman who called for Mayday actually was scolded for doing so as she didn't have approval from the person in charge to do so.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29288 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:48 pm to
LINK

Here is the article, excellent read.
Posted by lovelsu
Crowley, LA
Member since Jan 2007
780 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:53 pm to
Thanks for the article - good read. It is really amazing that more lives were not lost.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29288 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:57 pm to
It's funny, I work in the industry, but sit in an office, and for the last couple of projects I've worked on I've had to buy things like lifeboats, PA equipment, life preservers......and never really realized the likelihood those things would ever be used.

Sounds like it was a scary scene on deck, I do think the article is a little harsh on how the chain of command broke down during the disaster. In a perfect case, everyone would be calm and doing it just like it's been practiced, but when the place is an inferno, I'm sure the last thing on peoples minds is following procedure to the "T"
Posted by StormTiger
Norwich, England (from Texas)
Member since Dec 2003
4923 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 4:19 am to
Yeah, sounds like to me not much could have been done considering it hit so fast. Just a freak even / bad luck.

I know BP is taking the hit for it, and I guess they have to, but would any other company have been any better with things?
Posted by lovelsu
Crowley, LA
Member since Jan 2007
780 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 7:48 am to
My fiancee' works deepwater on a production platform. Before this happened I was more worried about him getting to and from the platform (what the tells me about the helicopters scare me (he has been down in one once) but once he got to the platform I would relax thinking everything was fine. I forgot there is a danger on the platform as well.
When it happened I just freaked out. The last month I just keep walking up and hugging him. He keeps reassuring me that production is safer then drilling (I think he is lying to me) and they do safty drills every week. He has been in the gulf for 25 years and says he is prepared but who knows what you are going to do if anything actually happens?
I think the majority of the workers were in shock and as I said in an earlier post it is amazing more lives were not lost.
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22258 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 7:52 am to
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When it happened I just freaked out. The last month I just keep walking up and hugging him. He keeps reassuring me that production is safer then drilling (I think he is lying to me)


he is not lying. it's safer than drilling.
unless he chokes on his grill cheese sandwich, he should be fine.


This post was edited on 5/30/10 at 7:53 am
Posted by lovelsu
Crowley, LA
Member since Jan 2007
780 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 7:56 am to
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he is not lying. it's safer than drilling.


Thanks for the reassurance. I did not know if he was just saying that to calm me down or if it was true. It is good to hear it from another source. Now the sandwich part - that is a real possibility
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17585 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:17 am to
do ya'll find it weird that the top two on board have said anything yet. Vidrine and Harrell.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26328 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:29 am to
Here is a good article from a totally different perspective.

LINK
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:37 am to
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Yeah, sounds like to me not much could have been done considering it hit so fast. Just a freak even / bad luck


The whole thing would have been averted with stricter regulatory enforcement in the months and years prior to the event. That's where the failures took place.

Because the oil industry is regulated by industry insiders who are political appointments, this was bound to happen. Too many shortcuts and liberties were taken when it came to safety protocol.

We need to nail BP HARD and make an example of them. The administration needs to clean up the regulation of the oil industry and some people, both from BP and from the government need to stand trial for criminal negligence.
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22258 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:39 am to
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The whole thing would have been averted with stricter regulatory enforcement in the months and years prior to the event. That's where the failures took place.

Because the oil industry is regulated by industry insiders who are political appointments, this was bound to happen. Too many shortcuts and liberties were taken when it came to safety protocol.

We need to nail BP HARD and make an example of them. The administration needs to clean up the regulation of the oil industry and some people, both from BP and from the government need to stand trial for criminal negligence.



more importantly, we need to drill


Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:41 am to
No, more importantly, we need to shift from using oil as one of our primary energy sources.
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22258 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:44 am to
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No, more importantly, we need to shift from using oil as one of our primary energy sources.


the people in hell need a glass of ice water too but i am not in favor of providing.

Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:47 am to
Why?

I mean, seriously, just answer these two questions:

Which is better for you and everyone around you, burning more or burning less fossil fuels?

Which is better for you personally, spending more money per month on fuel costs or less?
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22258 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 10:49 am to
quote:

Which is better for you and everyone around you, burning more or burning less fossil fuels?


until they prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that these fuels are harmful, then a will say fossil fuels.

quote:

Which is better for you personally, spending more money per month on fuel costs or less?


you will see just how much money you are about to spend at the pumps now that we are not drilling in deep water.

Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 11:01 am to
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until they prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that these fuels are harmful, then a will say fossil fuels.


It's been proven without a shadow of doubt, as you say. Ever look at what's in your vehicle's emissions?

Anyway, it's also been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that we're sending a shitload of money to dictators and terrorists because of our oil obsession...

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you will see just how much money you are about to spend at the pumps now that we are not drilling in deep water.


I'm talking about fuel efficiency and using or owning vehicles that minimize the use of fossil fuels. For example, if you drive a vehicle that maxes out at 20 mpg, you're filling up twice as much as someone whose vehicle maxes out at 40 mpg. Thus, you're spending twice as much on gas with your low efficiency vehicle.

My fiance and I share a car, and I usually take mass transit to work. I get on a train that uses electric power and then take a 10 minute ride on a bus that is powered by natural gas. My monthly bill for that (if my company didn't cover it for me) is $60. That's about how much it costs to fill up an SUV once, and if you commute in an SUV, you're filling up at least once per week. Do the math.

Even before this spill, we've needed to reduce (note, I said REDUCE, not ELIMINATE) our dependence on oil, which means lifestyle changes and utilization of available and future technology. Stubbornly standing there with your hands in your ears screaming, "I'm not listening to you!!! I believe that fossil fuel emmissions are not harmful!!! I don't care about the economic or geopolical implications of fossil fuel dependency!!!" isn't going to help matters. Denying that we have a problem isn't going to help matters.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29288 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 11:33 am to
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The whole thing would have been averted with stricter regulatory enforcement in the months and years prior to the event. That's where the failures took place.


Please share with everyone your expertise in the field of drilling/oil-gas production? Did you stay last night at a Holiday Inn and figure you know everything?
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