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Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:20 am
I heard overheard one Tiger Fan tell someone
"we won't be very good next year because we won't be very good until we get rid of Les Miles"
I tend to really disagree with this. Even though I have had my frustrations with some of Les's on the field decisions I think this is just too extreme.
What say you? Just curious.
"we won't be very good next year because we won't be very good until we get rid of Les Miles"
I tend to really disagree with this. Even though I have had my frustrations with some of Les's on the field decisions I think this is just too extreme.
What say you? Just curious.
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:21 am to texastigerr
Man, I swear I heard that same thing or maybe I've seen it on a thread somewhere. Can't remember but I KNOW I've heard or seen that same exact subject somewhere.
G E A U X T I G E R S!!!
G E A U X T I G E R S!!!
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:23 am to TIGERFANZZ
This wasn't on a thread, this was an actual conversation that was taking place in front of me. I didn't get involved in the discussion but just thought it was a little too extreme.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:41 am to texastigerr
I'm amazed at how many LSU "fans" seem to want LSU to have a bad year so that they can satisfy their bloodlust for getting rid of Miles.
Personally, I hope LSU goes undefeated and keeps Miles, who then goes on to win championships every year for many years to come. My love for LSU is greater than any desire I may have to see Miles go.
But some folks seem to have hatred for Miles that exceeds their passion for LSU.
Personally, I hope LSU goes undefeated and keeps Miles, who then goes on to win championships every year for many years to come. My love for LSU is greater than any desire I may have to see Miles go.
But some folks seem to have hatred for Miles that exceeds their passion for LSU.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:47 am to texastigerr
some tiger fans arent bright people.
dont believe everything you hear.
dont believe everything you hear.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 10:47 am to TIGRLEE
Stupidity
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:26 am to texastigerr
Agree
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:45 am to sml71
quote:With all due respect, you're not reading it right for a lot of us. What a lot of LSU fans who have lost confidence in CLM want is for him and LSU to have a great, great season in 2010. But based on his teams' performance the last couple of seasons, a lot of us are not convinced he's got what it takes.
LSU "fans" seem to want LSU to have a bad year so that they can satisfy their bloodlust for getting rid of Miles.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:47 am to texastigerr
quote:
we won't be very good until we get rid of Les Miles
Disagree
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:48 am to fab4lsu
I'm not confident Alleva can make a decent hire.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 11:55 am to dutchtowntiger100
...Uhhhhh fellas, LSU finished 9-3 last year, was 3rd in SEC and was invited to a New Year's Day Bowl.
How can someone say they can't win with Les Miles? We did....just last year. Remember?
How can someone say they can't win with Les Miles? We did....just last year. Remember?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:01 pm to dutchtowntiger100
quote:
I'm not confident Alleva can make a decent hire.
+ infinity ...
Aleva didn't exactly make wise choices for head coaches at Duke ... Carl Franks and Ted Roof???
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:16 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:
+ infinity ...
Aleva didn't exactly make wise choices for head coaches at Duke ... Carl Franks and Ted Roof???
yeah, that steve spurrier guy sucked!
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:18 pm to 1984Tiger
There are always going to be 2 distinct camps on this until Less is gone.
There should only be one; the jury's still out on him.
It's amazing to me the people who support Miles support him due to 2 things:
1. He's our coach, therefore if you don't support him, you don't support LSU.
Really? Sort of like if you don't support NObama, you don't support the U.S.? Only in some twisted mindset/logic, is that the case. In fact, if you DO support LSU, you have every right to be vigilant and to speak up, even if speaking up means pushing for change at the top.
2. 2005-2007. Best 3 year stretch in LSU history, 2 west titles, 1 SECC, 1 NC. BUT, there's no way Saban's influence had anything to do with that.
Again, really? So, you guys must be the same guys who look at toothless Timmy from Trailerville, after he's won the Powerball, as being "equal" to Donald Trump.
You see, it appears that way for awhile, but only until Toothless Timmy has enough time to frick around with that money and get himself in a mess. As is usually the case, within 3-5 years, Toothless Timmy will be back living in Trailerville, and as a broke dick MF.
Why? Because he wasn't financially savvy, he wasn't a businessman, he didn't build or earn his fortune, he won it. Just like Less won the Powerball of college football with the situation he walked into.
No, the only true benchmark of Miles is MAYBE 2007-2009, but for sure 2008-2009. How did he do those years?
That's why I say, at best, the jury's still out on him. This year will tell us what we've got, and my strong belief is 4 losses minimum again, and it might be as many as 6.
We've got all the talent in the world, and forget the recruiting debate; surely Rivals, Scout, and every other 100 services out there can't be wrong.........and they certainly aren't wrong "more" with LSU than they're wrong with any other school. No, LSU has plenty of talent, and it's exactly THAT TALENT that's kept things from being worse in 08 and 09 than what they were, and quite frankly, we should've gone undefeated or had a 1 loss season at least once if not twice from 05-07.
There should only be one; the jury's still out on him.
It's amazing to me the people who support Miles support him due to 2 things:
1. He's our coach, therefore if you don't support him, you don't support LSU.
Really? Sort of like if you don't support NObama, you don't support the U.S.? Only in some twisted mindset/logic, is that the case. In fact, if you DO support LSU, you have every right to be vigilant and to speak up, even if speaking up means pushing for change at the top.
2. 2005-2007. Best 3 year stretch in LSU history, 2 west titles, 1 SECC, 1 NC. BUT, there's no way Saban's influence had anything to do with that.
Again, really? So, you guys must be the same guys who look at toothless Timmy from Trailerville, after he's won the Powerball, as being "equal" to Donald Trump.
You see, it appears that way for awhile, but only until Toothless Timmy has enough time to frick around with that money and get himself in a mess. As is usually the case, within 3-5 years, Toothless Timmy will be back living in Trailerville, and as a broke dick MF.
Why? Because he wasn't financially savvy, he wasn't a businessman, he didn't build or earn his fortune, he won it. Just like Less won the Powerball of college football with the situation he walked into.
No, the only true benchmark of Miles is MAYBE 2007-2009, but for sure 2008-2009. How did he do those years?
That's why I say, at best, the jury's still out on him. This year will tell us what we've got, and my strong belief is 4 losses minimum again, and it might be as many as 6.
We've got all the talent in the world, and forget the recruiting debate; surely Rivals, Scout, and every other 100 services out there can't be wrong.........and they certainly aren't wrong "more" with LSU than they're wrong with any other school. No, LSU has plenty of talent, and it's exactly THAT TALENT that's kept things from being worse in 08 and 09 than what they were, and quite frankly, we should've gone undefeated or had a 1 loss season at least once if not twice from 05-07.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:50 pm to dos crystal
quote:Given the fact that Alleva didn't become AD at Duke until 1998, I'm not sure why you are referencing the Steve Spurrier Hire.
Aleva didn't exactly make wise choices for head coaches at Duke ... Carl Franks and Ted Roof???
yeah, that steve spurrier guy sucked!
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:53 pm to TigerFanBigTime
and the ineffectiviness the past two years with both JL and JJ certianly has had nothing to do with it. 
I usually not am in the one player camp, but at qb its different.
We have been below avg at this position the last two yrs and our record has reflected it.
Period.
I usually not am in the one player camp, but at qb its different.
We have been below avg at this position the last two yrs and our record has reflected it.
Period.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:56 pm to TIGRLEE
How many 8-4 seasons will we be happy with is the question. How many of those will Miles be given a cookie instead of a demerit for?
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:00 pm to PiscesTiger
none.
however this isnt the nfl so we cant go out sign a free agent experiecned qb.
I look for things to turn around this year.
however this isnt the nfl so we cant go out sign a free agent experiecned qb.
I look for things to turn around this year.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:41 pm to TigerFanBigTime
"2005-2007. Best 3 year stretch in LSU history, 2 west titles, 1 SECC, 1 NC. BUT, there's no way Saban's influence had anything to do with that"
"We've got all the talent in the world, and forget the recruiting debate; surely Rivals, Scout, and every other 100 services out there can't be wrong.........and they certainly aren't wrong "more" with LSU than they're wrong with any other school. No, LSU has plenty of talent, and it's exactly THAT TALENT that's kept things from being worse in 08 and 09 than what they were, and quite frankly, we should've gone undefeated or had a 1 loss season at least once if not twice from 05-07.+
Please explain exactly what Saban's influence was. Did he secrectly coach the team from Miami? Otherwise your argument makes so sense because, as you point out, all the teams had talent.
The overwhelming problem over the past two years is having to play two inexperienced QBs. Period!
"We've got all the talent in the world, and forget the recruiting debate; surely Rivals, Scout, and every other 100 services out there can't be wrong.........and they certainly aren't wrong "more" with LSU than they're wrong with any other school. No, LSU has plenty of talent, and it's exactly THAT TALENT that's kept things from being worse in 08 and 09 than what they were, and quite frankly, we should've gone undefeated or had a 1 loss season at least once if not twice from 05-07.+
Please explain exactly what Saban's influence was. Did he secrectly coach the team from Miami? Otherwise your argument makes so sense because, as you point out, all the teams had talent.
The overwhelming problem over the past two years is having to play two inexperienced QBs. Period!
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:53 pm to Bayou Paddler
Your forgetting two BIG influences; Jimbo, and Pelini. Jimbo had the Saban mindset and approach, and Bo did too even though he didn't coach under him.
You guys discount "mindset", but mindset and approach are huge, and that comes about through influence, no different than having a very good teacher early on in school at various levels.
Saban instilled a mindset and approach that carried over at least a year or two, and Jimbo and Pelini are hard driving task masters the same as Saban.
It took awhile for that to wear off, not coincidentally after Jimbo, and then Pelini. You can see that in the O, as it was Jimbo and Saban's influence that was on Flynn, Hester, and the like. After that influence wore off, things went downhill on the O. Then, we saw the same thing on the D for one year, but luckily Chief came in and re-worked that mindset quickly.
In 2008 and 2009, your talking players and coaches who had no experience under the Saban regime, the mindset was all Jimbo and Pelini. Miles doesn't really have a mindset, and it shows on the field. That's why when you don't have strong assistants it's bitten us in the a$$. Miles is just sort of there, a non-factor as far as setting tone, and when the bar isn't set high, the tone is automatically set low.
You guys discount "mindset", but mindset and approach are huge, and that comes about through influence, no different than having a very good teacher early on in school at various levels.
Saban instilled a mindset and approach that carried over at least a year or two, and Jimbo and Pelini are hard driving task masters the same as Saban.
It took awhile for that to wear off, not coincidentally after Jimbo, and then Pelini. You can see that in the O, as it was Jimbo and Saban's influence that was on Flynn, Hester, and the like. After that influence wore off, things went downhill on the O. Then, we saw the same thing on the D for one year, but luckily Chief came in and re-worked that mindset quickly.
In 2008 and 2009, your talking players and coaches who had no experience under the Saban regime, the mindset was all Jimbo and Pelini. Miles doesn't really have a mindset, and it shows on the field. That's why when you don't have strong assistants it's bitten us in the a$$. Miles is just sort of there, a non-factor as far as setting tone, and when the bar isn't set high, the tone is automatically set low.
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